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D-Day 74 years on

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Thanks for posting this!

On a related note it was such a bummer to hear Don Mularkey passed away last year.
 
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Bletchley Park Twitter is posting decoded Enigma messages from the German navy in time with the events of D-Day.
 
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There have been some interesting Nat Geo shows about Dday in the last few days. I expect more tonight.

Also, there's a cool Youtube channel that is going day by day of WWII, but 79 years off. So right now, they are just in the middle of the invasion of France of 1940. Very interesting to watch.
 
alfablue said:
There have been some interesting Nat Geo shows about Dday in the last few days. I expect more tonight.

Also, there's a cool Youtube channel that is going day by day of WWII, but 79 years off. So right now, they are just in the middle of the invasion of France of 1940. Very interesting to watch.
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Thanks for those recommendations. I never had a lot of interest in WWII until the last few years.
 
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Drew S. said:
Thanks for those recommendations. I never had a lot of interest in WWII until the last few years.
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This is the channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP1AejCL4DA7jYkZAELRhHQ

They also have one for WWI and in between the wars. One of these days I want to see some stuff about the Spanish Civil War. But the WWII part will be interesting enough.

And it's really good to go through it week by week- as you get a totally different perspective of the war. The "whys" of the total loss of the French is really interesting. Moreso when you see the better explanation of the Maginot line.

But it will take another 4 years to get back to D-Day with their coverage.
 
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If you enjoy WWII history, you can follow @WW2Facts and @WWIIpix on Twitter. I have seen lots of picture I had not seen before and I thought I had seen them all, LOL. Some of them rock you to the core like German paratroopers executing citizens on Crete for attacking them as they landed. That happened more than we know overall but to see it happening was brutal.
 
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Russia says, "Don't forget about AHHHHHHHHHHH MOTHERLAND!!!!!11!!!" :rolleyes: Quickly gets pimpslapped by Twitter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Zakharova?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Zakharova</a>: The Normandy landings were not a game-changer for the outcome of WWII and the Great Patriotic War. The outcome was determined by the Red Army’s victories – mainly, in Stalingrad and Kursk. For three years, the UK and then the US dragged out opening the second front <a href="https://t.co/LhzkEzNCQN">pic.twitter.com/LhzkEzNCQN</a></p>— MFA Russia &#55356;&#56823;&#55356;&#56826; (@mfa_russia) <a href="https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1136256630021087233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Russia says, "Don't forget about AHHHHHHHHHHH MOTHERLAND!!!!!11!!!" :rolleyes: Quickly gets pimpslapped by Twitter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Zakharova?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Zakharova</a>: The Normandy landings were not a game-changer for the outcome of WWII and the Great Patriotic War. The outcome was determined by the Red Army’s victories – mainly, in Stalingrad and Kursk. For three years, the UK and then the US dragged out opening the second front <a href="https://t.co/LhzkEzNCQN">pic.twitter.com/LhzkEzNCQN</a></p>— MFA Russia ���� (@mfa_russia) <a href="https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1136256630021087233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I do believe that the Russian offensive causalities dwarfed the Allies' western front casualties from the same period (D Day to end).

If the D Day landings had failed, could Russia have fought their was single handedly to the English Channel before the rest of the Allies had rebuilt strength for another attempt? I saw a historian yesterday say another invasion attempt could not have taken place until 45 or more than likely 46.
 
Timothy A said:
I do believe that the Russian offensive causalities dwarfed the Allies' western front casualties from the same period (D Day to end).

If the D Day landings had failed, could Russia have fought their was single handedly to the English Channel before the rest of the Allies had rebuilt strength for another attempt? I saw a historian yesterday say another invasion attempt could not have taken place until 45 or more than likely 46.
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False narrative. It wouldn't have been single-handed. My uncle and several thousand of his colleagues were coming north up Italy at the time. Granted Overlord made their eventual breakout into France easier, but they still would have made it.

In this alternate history there never would have been a second D-Day landing because the Atlantic Wall would have been taken from the rear. The Iron Curtain would have replaced the Maginot Line instead of splitting Germany.
 
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ticapnews said:
False narrative. It wouldn't have been single-handed. My uncle and several thousand of his colleagues were coming north up Italy at the time. Granted Overlord made their eventual breakout into France easier, but they still would have made it.

In this alternate history there never would have been a second D-Day landing because the Atlantic Wall would have been taken from the rear. The Iron Curtain would have replaced the Maginot Line instead of splitting Germany.
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Stalin also most likely would've succeeded at creating an Austrian SSR.

No one denies the Red Army shed the most blood. Entire villages were wiped out. But to say Russia did it alone is completely false, and obviously trollish/agitprop behavior towards the West on D-Day.
 
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The letter from Colbert's uncle he read on the show yesterday was incredible.
 
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ticapnews said:
False narrative. It wouldn't have been single-handed. My uncle and several thousand of his colleagues were coming north up Italy at the time. Granted Overlord made their eventual breakout into France easier, but they still would have made it.

In this alternate history there never would have been a second D-Day landing because the Atlantic Wall would have been taken from the rear. The Iron Curtain would have replaced the Maginot Line instead of splitting Germany.
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Although the tweet is trolling it's substantially right, although misleading. The "game changer" in the war was the failure of Operation Barbarossa. That was a combination of Russian heroism and Hitler's meddling.

The US stopped the war from dragging on another 2-3 years, and of course that also puts German atomic weapons into play. But the Russians stopped the Germans from winning the war, and paid the price for it.

Also, it is true that Churchill cautioned FDR from opening up the western front too quickly. He liked it just fine that the Nazis and Communists were bleeding each other to death. That's how the game is played. We were already setting up the board for the next game. We attacked when we did because the Russians were rolling the Germans back and we were worried about Russian occupation of Central Europe. The Russians did the same thing to us by opening up a front against Japan right at the closing bell.

Again: that is how the game is played.
 
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ticapnews said:
False narrative. It wouldn't have been single-handed. My uncle and several thousand of his colleagues were coming north up Italy at the time. Granted Overlord made their eventual breakout into France easier, but they still would have made it.
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I don't know, that slog up the Italian peninsula was slow and with no western front the Germans could have committed more troops into Italy, at the peak they had 1.9 million troops in France. I think the Russians made victory inevitable. All they cared about was winning and nothing else.
 
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Kepler said:
Although the tweet is trolling it's substantially right, although misleading. The "game changer" in the war was the failure of Operation Barbarossa. That was a combination of Russian heroism and Hitler's meddling.

The US stopped the war from dragging on another 2-3 years, and of course that also puts German atomic weapons into play. But the Russians stopped the Germans from winning the war, and paid the price for it.

Also, it is true that Churchill cautioned FDR from opening up the western front too quickly. He liked it just fine that the Nazis and Communists were bleeding each other to death. That's how the game is played. We were already setting up the board for the next game. We attacked when we did because the Russians were rolling the Germans back and we were worried about Russian occupation of Central Europe. The Russians did the same thing to us by opening up a front against Japan right at the closing bell.

Again: that is how the game is played.
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Up until Barbarossa, the USSR was a foe, not an ally. Britain and France seriously considered sending forces to Finland when Russia invaded in the winter of '39-40. And they did also consider bombing the Soviet oil fields to prevent Germany from getting it. Much of that didn't happen thanks to Chamberlain, as he never wanted to go to war, and any offense against Germany was very frowned on.

So letting the USSR kill itself during the war was very planned. Had that not happened, or had Germany lost early- the war probably would have continued- with fighting between the Soviets and the West.
 
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alfablue said:
So letting the USSR kill itself during the war was very planned. Had that not happened, or had Germany lost early- the war probably would have continued- with fighting between the Soviets and the West.
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While possible, I don't see a protracted UK/US/Soviet war. In an alternative timeline where the Germans are stopped cold on the Western front, the Soviets sue for peace. They allied with Hitler because they needed time to relocate industry and build up there forces (and restock their officer corps after Stalin's purges) in preparation for the eventual German attack. The German war aim was explicitly to expand eastward, ahem depopulate the natives, and repopulate with happy, pink-cheeked German hausfrau baby machines: Manifest Destiny except the victims are white so it's tragic. The Russian war aim was to pick up a handful of small fry satellites (Finland, the Baltic states, eastern Poland) and then survive the German assault. With Germany knocked out there's no longer any Russian war aim. They/re not worried about spreading the blessings of Soviet Socialism to the West because Marx and Lenin have told them that's historically inevitable. They just want to heal and infiltrate the West, like The Thing.

Under the circumstances I cannot see the UK and US pursuing the European war, with their hands full with Japan. Also Uncle Joe will want in on that action to maybe pick up some territory of his own in the east.
 
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