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COVID Resource thread- places to get resources, information or help

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Some interesting tips. Not sure how valid they are:

Doctors are reporting they now understand the behavior of the COVID 19 virus due to autopsies that they have carried out. This virus is characterized by obstructing respiratory pathways with thick mucus that solidifies and blocks the airways and lungs. So they have discovered that in order to apply a medicine you have to open and unblock these airways so that the treatment can be used to take effect however all of this takes a number of days. Their recommendations for what you can do to safeguard yourself are ...

1) Drink lots of hot liquids - coffees, soups, teas, warm water. In addition take a sip of warm water every 20 minutes bc this keeps your mouth moist and washes any of the virus that’s entered your mouth into your stomach where your gastric juices will neutralize it before it can get to the lungs.
2) Gargle with an antiseptic and warm water like vinegar or salt or lemon every day if possible
3) The virus attaches itself to hair and clothes. And detergent or soap kills it but you must take bath or shower when you get in from the street. Avoid sitting down in your home and go straight to the shower. If you cannot wash your clothes daily, hang them in sunlight which also helps to neutralize the virus
4) Wash metallic surfaces very carefully bc the virus can stay viable on these for up to 9 days. Take note and be vigilant about touching hand rails, door knobs, etc. and keep these clean in home home
5) Don’t smoke
6) Wash your hands every 20 minutes with any soap that foams and do this for 20 seconds
7) Eat fruits and vegetables. Try to elevate your zinc levelS
8)Animals do not spread the virus to people. Its a person to person transmission.
9)Try to avoid getting the common flu as this already weakens your system and try to avoid eating and drinking any cold things.
10) If you feel any discomfort in your throat or a sore throat coming on, attack it immediately using the above methods. The virus enters the system through the throat but will sit in the throat for 3-4 days before it passes into your lungs.

In addition ...

Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.
 
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Scarlet said:
Some interesting tips. Not sure how valid they are:

Doctors are reporting they now understand the behavior of the COVID 19 virus due to autopsies that they have carried out. This virus is characterized by obstructing respiratory pathways with thick mucus that solidifies and blocks the airways and lungs. So they have discovered that in order to apply a medicine you have to open and unblock these airways so that the treatment can be used to take effect however all of this takes a number of days. Their recommendations for what you can do to safeguard yourself are ...

1) Drink lots of hot liquids - coffees, soups, teas, warm water. In addition take a sip of warm water every 20 minutes bc this keeps your mouth moist and washes any of the virus that’s entered your mouth into your stomach where your gastric juices will neutralize it before it can get to the lungs.
2) Gargle with an antiseptic and warm water like vinegar or salt or lemon every day if possible
3) The virus attaches itself to hair and clothes. And detergent or soap kills it but you must take bath or shower when you get in from the street. Avoid sitting down in your home and go straight to the shower. If you cannot wash your clothes daily, hang them in sunlight which also helps to neutralize the virus
4) Wash metallic surfaces very carefully bc the virus can stay viable on these for up to 9 days. Take note and be vigilant about touching hand rails, door knobs, etc. and keep these clean in home home
5) Don’t smoke
6) Wash your hands every 20 minutes with any soap that foams and do this for 20 seconds
7) Eat fruits and vegetables. Try to elevate your zinc levelS
8)Animals do not spread the virus to people. Its a person to person transmission.
9)Try to avoid getting the common flu as this already weakens your system and try to avoid eating and drinking any cold things.
10) If you feel any discomfort in your throat or a sore throat coming on, attack it immediately using the above methods. The virus enters the system through the throat but will sit in the throat for 3-4 days before it passes into your lungs.

In addition ...

Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.
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uhm...ok
 
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This has been debunked. THey keep changing the attribution but it has been around for weeks now
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
especially the holding your breath part of things
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I have seen an researcher uncle, someone working at the CDC, Chinese, Korean, Italian Drs, French Researcher to name just a few.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Has anyone in Minnesota lost their job or had their hours reduced?
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The exact opposite. Given my job...work gonna be crazy for a while.

Half of what Scarlet said is false from what I know. The "hard" surfaces, like steel/etc, it's 3 days. Cardboard, 1 day. Copper, a few hours. And that is with all factors in a perfect condition to spread the virus.

Yes, wash hands often. Limited contact. Basic stuff.
 
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Kepler said:
I also posted this on the regular thread. The best medical description of the disease I have seen.
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I admire his knowledge and his presentation skills but his information related to R0 was a bit flawed. He took the high end of 3 on Covid-19 and the low end of 1 on influenza. In reality, they seem to be very similar to each other, somewhere more between 2-3. Not sure why he did that other than it setup a dramatic, exponential curve for for Covid-19 and a flat line for influenza.

In 2019-20, to date, roughly 10,000 people have died from Covid-19 while 30,000 have died from influenza. That comparison will no doubt flip but let's not just write off influenza as some slow moving little nuisance. Tens of thousands of people die from the flu in this country every year.
 
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E.J. Smith said:
I admire his knowledge and his presentation skills but his information related to R0 was a bit flawed. He took the high end of 3 on Covid-19 and the low end of 1 on influenza. In reality, they seem to be very similar to each other, somewhere more between 2-3. Not sure why he did that other than it setup a dramatic, exponential curve for for Covid-19 and a flat line for influenza.

In 2019-20, to date, roughly 10,000 people have died from Covid-19 while 30,000 have died from influenza. That comparison will no doubt flip but let's not just write off influenza as some slow moving little nuisance. Tens of thousands of people die from the flu in this country every year.
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I have never seen a number for seasonal flu that his higher than 1.5 and and 1.5 to 2.5 is a huge difference.
After 10 iterations influenza patient zero has infected 58 people, covid-19 has infected 9,536. Obviously 1 and 3 are extremes but its not like they're that far off from reality. Even if you go down to 2 for covid-19 you're looking at 1024 vs 58.
 
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R0 isn't a perfect metric in any case. How much testing was done, who was tested, herd immunity, vaccinations, etc. It's hard to make valid comparisons. It's all a bit ballpark. And it's especially hard to know the R0 for this "new" virus. But based on what we know about other coronaviruses and influenza, it's highly unlikely that Covid-19 is 3 times more transmissible than the seasonal flu. To me, that seemed a little sensational.
 
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E.J. Smith said:
R0 isn't a perfect metric in any case. How much testing was done, who was tested, herd immunity, vaccinations, etc. It's hard to make valid comparisons. It's all a bit ballpark. And it's especially hard to know the R0 for this "new" virus. But based on what we know about other coronaviruses and influenza, it's highly unlikely that Covid-19 is 3 times more transmissible than the seasonal flu. To me, that seemed a little sensational.
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sure its a little extreme but to draw out 2.5 and 1.5 people doesn't exactly make as much sense at 1 vs 3. It got the point across.
 
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The point it got across to me was one was on an exponential curve and the other was a flat line. I don't think that's a valid point in any way.

Since it seems we're having this discussion we should probably define R0. My understanding is it measures how transmissible (contagious, infectious) a virus would be moving through a population with no immunity, vaccinations, or interventions.

That state of things passed a long time ago for influenza. So long ago that, again it's my understanding, the CDC doesn't even use R0 for influenza any more and has a different metric that they use for similar purposes. However, it's believed, based on historical data that influenza would have a true R0 of around 2.5.*

It's hard to know where Covid-19 will land but based on other coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS it seems like it's going to be more in the 2-4 range, sort of mid to low end of the table, and nowhere near the high end of things with the 10-12 of measles and chicken pox.


(*The RO for influenza, even with herd immunity and vaccinations seems to be somewhere around 2. That's in large part due to the half-baked job we do with that particular immunization program. Immunizations obviously work - good bye smallpox and polio - we just don't seem to care to put the effort in to eliminate influenza.)
 
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Influenza Deaths in the US
2010-11 --- 37,000
2011-12 --- 12,000
2012-13 --- 43,000
2013-14 --- 38,000
2014-15 --- 51,000
2015-16 --- 23,000
2016-17 --- 38,000
2017-18 --- 61,000
2018-19 --- 34,000

I don't post that to diminish Covid-19. I post that because it seems that people think we've been living in this pure, clean world with no viruses, and suddenly we've gone from 0 to 100 on this. We haven't. Viruses are among us. They kill tens of thousands of us per year.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
 
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E.J. Smith said:
Influenza Deaths in the US
2010-11 --- 37,000
2011-12 --- 12,000
2012-13 --- 43,000
2013-14 --- 38,000
2014-15 --- 51,000
2015-16 --- 23,000
2016-17 --- 38,000
2017-18 --- 61,000
2018-19 --- 34,000

I don't post that to diminish Covid-19. I post that because it seems that people think we've been living in this pure, clean world with no viruses, and suddenly we've gone from 0 to 100 on this. We haven't. Viruses are among us. They kill tens of thousands of us per year.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html
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All of those numbers are in a completely different ballpark to what COVID would have done if we had simply gone about our lives. Everyone knows that it's possible to die from the flu. The Spanish flu killed millions of people (albeit at a much different time in human history, with much less/worse medicine).
 
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jflory81 said:
All of those numbers are in a completely different ballpark to what COVID would have done if we had simply gone about our lives. Everyone knows that it's possible to die from the flu. The Spanish flu killed millions of people (albeit at a much different time in human history, with much less/worse medicine).
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Those numbers I posted are simply facts. It's odd that you've taken such a confrontational tone toward them.

I think I was clear on why I posted them. I even said they weren't intended to diminish what's going on with Covid-19. I really do think people are completely unaware of how deadly the flu is every year. I think if they were aware, there might be slightly less of the overwrought reaction we're seeing now.

I'd also point out something else related to those numbers. If we social distanced, closed schools, and shut down business during every flu season, October to March of every year, we would save thousands of lives; literally thousands of lives every year. That too is simply a fact. But we don't do it. Why?
 
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E.J. Smith said:
Those numbers I posted are simply facts. It's odd that you've taken such a confrontational tone toward them.

I think I was clear on why I posted them. I even said they weren't intended to diminish what's going on with Covid-19. I really do think people are completely unaware of how deadly the flu is every year. I think if they were aware, there might be slightly less of the overwrought reaction we're seeing now.

I'd also point out something else related to those numbers. If we social distanced, closed schools, and shut down business during every flu season, October to March of every year, we would save thousands of lives; literally thousands of lives every year. That too is simply a fact. But we don't do it. Why?
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because this wasn't about thousands of lives. This was about way more than that, and we don't have any real defense against this virus. If we did nothing our hospital system would be overwhelmed and way more people would die. I'm not sure why you are defending the idea that this isn't that different than the flu when everything I've read says that its very different. Way more cases with little to no symptoms, way more transmissible, and more deadly. That is a terrible combination. We have the flu shot, the flu mutates a lot and people are working on a universal flu vaccine, but it hasn't worked yet. We invest a lot into the flu, but it is a known issue. We do our best to mitigate it. This novel coronavirus is not that at all. With so many unknowns and estimated values what they are, it was correct to shut things down enough to give us a chance to catch up.
 
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E.J. Smith said:
Those numbers I posted are simply facts. It's odd that you've taken such a confrontational tone toward them.

I think I was clear on why I posted them. I even said they weren't intended to diminish what's going on with Covid-19. I really do think people are completely unaware of how deadly the flu is every year. I think if they were aware, there might be slightly less of the overwrought reaction we're seeing now.

I'd also point out something else related to those numbers. If we social distanced, closed schools, and shut down business during every flu season, October to March of every year, we would save thousands of lives; literally thousands of lives every year. That too is simply a fact. But we don't do it. Why?
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I literally just responded with facts. You chose to interpret that in a confrontational tone.

I would suggest that things don't shut down every flu season because
1) the incubation period of the flu is much lower, meaning it is not spread as easily unknowingly by people who don't show symptoms. We're also more careful about seeing elderly relatives/friends who are the most vulnerable when we're sick. When the incubation period is about ~3.5 times longer that's a whole lot more time you can get the elderly sick, and it's more contagious and deadly to boot!

2) Tens of thousands of people simply isn't that big a number in the grand scheme of things, as cold as that sounds (about 1 in 10,000 people - about the same amount of people die from car accidents or suicides yearly, and those are much younger people, and we are all aware of the risk of car accidents and the prevalence of suicides, I think). The economy does in fact require people getting together and providing goods and services to provide people with money and essential goods. If we end up in the tens of thousands for COVID and not the hundreds of thousands, it will be because Americans did an extraordinary job of social distancing and preventing the spread of the disease. I'm not super optimistic on this front, but there's no doubt that no matter where the death count ends up, it would have been much, much worse without what we're doing over the last few weeks.

And finally 3) I just want to emphasize once again the difference in scale between what COVID would have been without social distancing, and what the flu is every year. It's not close. It easily could have reached somewhere between 50-100X more deadly without direct intervention. At some point the economy will take a bigger hit from death and sickness than it will from shutting everything down and trying to avoid hundreds of thousands up to possibly more than a million of unnecessary deaths.

EDIT: Shirtless Guy brings up a good point about vaccines, too. Obviously they aren't foolproof, but they do provide some level of protection for those that get it and the people around them who may be more vulnerable.
 
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