Covid 19

[Jimjamesak]

Re: Covid 19

You would walk away with your tail between your legs.

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[Chuck Murray]

Re: Covid 19

I can't help but think of the line in the Big Short---a 1% uptick in unemployment 40,000 people die. Also, wonder what my grandpa would be thinking---he lived through the depression. So the Government told workers to stop working and go home?

Kind of what I've been saying all along. One person's "safety" is another person's downfall.

There is a toll being extracted from everyday Americans right now that goes far beyond COVID-19.

I suspect in a week or two, there may be a lively debate between folks in the public sector ("What's the hurry - let's be on the safe side") and the private sector ("Our jobs aren't going to be there if we wait until it's perfectly safe, we'll take the risk").

There will come a tipping point, and I hope those in the former group understands that if the latter group gets pummeled with extended stoppages for "safety" that will come at a huge cost, and eventually it seeps back to hurt the public sector too.

Unless of course, you're shooting for a welfare state, in which case I guess this is your express ticket to France. Let's see how it plays out over the next week or two ...

 

[UMD21]

Kind of what I've been saying all along. One person's "safety" is another person's downfall.

There is a toll being extracted from everyday Americans right now that goes far beyond COVID-19.

I suspect in a week or two, there may be a lively debate between folks in the public sector ("What's the hurry - let's be on the safe side") and the private sector ("Our jobs aren't going to be there if we wait until it's perfectly safe, we'll take the risk").

There will come a tipping point, and I hope those in the former group understands that if the latter group gets pummeled with extended stoppages for "safety" that will come at a huge cost, and eventually it seeps back to hurt the public sector too.

Unless of course, you're shooting for a welfare state, in which case I guess this is your express ticket to France. Let's see how it plays out over the next week or two ...

Absolutely. Because in two weeks, nothing will be different. There will be no “all clear”, no vaccine, no drugs, no abundance of tests. There will just be thousands of cases in every state.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Covid 19

Kind of what I've been saying all along. One person's "safety" is another person's downfall.

There is a toll being extracted from everyday Americans right now that goes far beyond COVID-19.

I suspect in a week or two, there may be a lively debate between folks in the public sector ("What's the hurry - let's be on the safe side") and the private sector ("Our jobs aren't going to be there if we wait until it's perfectly safe, we'll take the risk").

There will come a tipping point, and I hope those in the former group understands that if the latter group gets pummeled with extended stoppages for "safety" that will come at a huge cost, and eventually it seeps back to hurt the public sector too.

Unless of course, you're shooting for a welfare state, in which case I guess this is your express ticket to France. Let's see how it plays out over the next week or two ...

When I have discussions like this with people, I refer to it as the "crossover point." The time when the damage to people by shutting down society is greater than the damage to people done by the virus.

 

[scoreboard]

Yeah, I was too lazy to look up who is up for election. Thanks.

However, if Pelosi's state has an election, then she would be next in line (if she wins). After all, it’s all up to each state whether to hold an election or not. Some may. Some may not.

No she wouldn’t. Election would be for the entire house as well as for the President. Every state will be voting. They have time to figure it out.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Re: Covid 19

When I have discussions like this with people, I refer to it as the "crossover point." The time when the damage to people by shutting down society is greater than the damage to people done by the virus.

Precisely. "Crossover point" or "tipping point", I suppose it's the same thing, and it's coming.

 

[French Rage]

Re: Covid 19

No, her term would run out before Trump's and Pence's would (3rd Jan vs 20th Jan). If no elections were held before January 20, 2021, there would be one person in the entire line of succession who would still be legally in office, President pro tempore of the United States Senate Chuck Grassley (R-IA), whose current term expires 3 January 2023.

Sean

GOP would lose its Senate majority of none of this year's seats hold elections. Pro tem would be Leahy.

 

[HockeyRef]

Re: Covid 19

Seen on Twitter:

A friend in NYC who is a doc told me that hospitals were already at capacity as of today, 30-45 days before the anticipated peak. It's horrifying.

Today's Butcher's Bill: 8736 cases Dead:149

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: Covid 19

GOP would lose its Senate majority of none of this year's seats hold elections. Pro tem would be Leahy.

Thanks. I had read what I posted on a website I trust, but it appears that they forgot the fact that the GOP would control of the Senate.

Sean

 

[LTsatch]

Re: Covid 19

When I have discussions like this with people, I refer to it as the "crossover point." The time when the damage to people by shutting down society is greater than the damage to people done by the virus.

Poor vs. possibly dead. The government is controlling this now, whether we like it or not. They will choose that point, but unfortunately, it will most likely be later, rather than sooner.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: Covid 19

Seen on Twitter:

A friend in NYC who is a doc told me that hospitals were already at capacity as of today, 30-45 days before the anticipated peak. It's horrifying.

Today's Butcher's Bill: 8736 cases Dead:149

And 20,000 Massachusetts residents filed for unemployment on Monday (about 0.5% of the January workforce for Massachusetts).

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: Covid 19

Poor vs. possibly dead. The government is controlling this now, whether we like it or not. They will choose that point, but unfortunately, it will most likely be later, rather than sooner.

Yes, and I have not heard one report about the governors and mayors violating the United States Constitution with all these bans prohibiting people from gathering in groups of more than 25 people.

Sean

 

[HockeyRef]

And 20,000 Massachusetts residents filed for unemployment on Monday (about 0.5% of the January workforce for Massachusetts).

Sean

And that's one state... we are not at the peak of this...18 month pandemic being thrown around the news tonight. Cant sugar coat it.

 

[ticapnews]

And 20,000 Massachusetts residents filed for unemployment on Monday (about 0.5% of the January workforce for Massachusetts).

Sean

It was 50000 in Minnesota. 1.67% of the workforce. Dont want to see what that % will be in Maine.

 

[ticapnews]

Re: Covid 19

It is adorable that people think we'll still be following the Constitution in January...

 

[LTsatch]

Re: Covid 19

Yes, and I have not heard one report about the governors and mayors violating the United States Constitution with all these bans prohibiting people from gathering in groups of more than 25 people.

Sean

Having worked as a Chief of a Fire Dept, once an emergent situation is declared, all bets are off. Orders are done for the greater common good, not whether someone wants to go see Reverend Horton Heat. It really is a terrible situation, unseen in my 60 year lifetime.

 

[walrus]

Re: Covid 19

It was 50000 in Minnesota. 1.67% of the workforce. Dont want to see what that % will be in Maine.

Gov shut down eat in Restaurants so thats going to spike the unemployment rate here. I'm still working, not sure if I'm crazy, greedy, stupid or etc. Customers still working so equipment is still breaking. I've noticed social distance is being used but obviously not 100% which isn't good. I'm outside working for the most part. Supply houses aren't allowing us in, call before and we will leave it outside. Job I'm on now, 3 workers from one company, all coming from same place, 3 trucks. Company won't let workers in building, call and will leave parts outside. Stress is high with most everyone.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Covid 19

Poor vs. possibly dead. The government is controlling this now, whether we like it or not. They will choose that point, but unfortunately, it will most likely be later, rather than sooner.

People die because they are poor, for various reasons. So, poor vs. dead is not the proper metric. It's still dead vs. dead.

Society will eventually break under this kind of stress. It's just a matter of when that crossover point is.

But something that will come out of all this pain is the realization -- that can no longer be ignored -- of just how many people in America do not have a safety net. I think this is going to change the political landscape, on both sides, for decades to come.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Re: Covid 19

So I turned on the TV this morning before starting my work-at-home routine, and on FS1 there was what appeared to be a live Aussie Rules Football match winding down, with absolutely no one in the stands. I wasn't sure if it was live or whatever, but with an empty stadium, I figured the match would have at most only been a week or so old.

DISCLAIMER - I'm not a follower of the AFL. I was expecting FS1's sports talk shows instead.

Looking into it further, over breakfast here downstairs, I discovered that yes, indeed, this had been live sports. In fact, the folks down in Australia are currently "enjoying" as best they can, their three professional team sports competitions - the AFL, Rugby League, and A-League Football (soccer). Games are being played, but no one (apparently other than employees and players' family) is being allowed into the games. And as foreshadowing of the approaching "tipping point" or "crossover point" as Russell refers to it, it's apparently largely driven by the financial side of the enterprise, per the linked article below:

https://sports.yahoo.com/financial-...-sport-play-despite-virus-084145159--spt.html

I'm not scanning a lot of different threads here at USCHO or elsewhere, but I'd think there might be more coverage of this situation, only because it is a different approach - for whatever the reason - and we may be looking at this point ourselves not too far down the line. I think it's important that as soon as we possibly can, within reason, we need to start clawing our way back to some semblance of normalcy. I agree with Russell - this is not poor vs. dead … it's dead vs. dead. Whether death arrives via COVID-19, or the severe stress and strains that will result from prolonged quarantines, all the same. JMHO.

 

[Darius]

Re: Covid 19

Sununu seeks special period to enroll in Obamacare:
https://www.unionleader.com/news/he...d-55ee-aece-b7cb21efda2a.html?block_id=883785