Covid 19

[ticapnews]

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Quarantine him for 2 weeks.

He's gone to a farm upstate with lots of room to run and play.

 

[ticapnews]

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What's up with some people believing this George Soros guy is behind this virus?

I had some guy tell me earlier all the Covid-19 deaths were part of the hoax, a false flag by the Democrats and the media to tank the stock market and bring down Trump. I honestly thought he was kidding but he was deadly serious.

 

[Fishman'81]

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I had some guy tell me earlier all the Covid-19 deaths were part of the hoax, a false flag by the Democrats and the media to tank the stock market and bring down Trump. I honestly thought he was kidding but he was deadly serious.

Trumpies are generally severely uneducated xenophobes, or rich people loving the tax breaks.

Strange brew.

 

[Slap Shot]

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What's up with some people believing this George Soros guy is behind this virus?

Never watched a Trump rally before?

 

[buoldtimer]

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Thanks for the great info. Biggest issue with this virus is it's just so infectious; mass testing is needed. Until that happens, it's going to be very difficult to contain, if at all, and the numbers will most likely be astronomical here. The diagnostic 'roll out' of the test has been abysmal in the U.S...and if I may add, disgraceful considering our capabilities to handle a pandemic like this. Hopefully that's changing as more tests become available.

Just read that UNH will stay open as usual after Spring break; they are asking people who travel to high risk areas etc. to 'self quarantine' themselves; good luck with that. Most likely, if any of these students/ staff who potentially become infected and/or do not self q this is an issue. Thing is, many will be asymptomatic and will unknowingly will infect others who will do the same, etc etc. Regardless, the virus is here and we just have to do the best we can to reduce it's spread. Going to go through a lot of people until 'herd immunity' is created and an effective vaccine is created.

I'm not challenging anything you say here, just a few questions:

1. How does the "herd immunity" work?

2. As the virus is passed from person A to person B to person C, etc. does its virulence diminish?

3. We're a long way from a vaccine right? Absent a vaccine, the limitation/elimination of public gatherings to limit the virus spread sounds like it would need to last for longer than a few weeks.

 

[QUFan]

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3. We're a long way from a vaccine right? Absent a vaccine, the limitation/elimination of public gatherings to limit the virus spread sounds like it would need to last for longer than a few weeks.

This is a fair question, but it appears China and S Korea are actually beginning to recover. Fewer cases. Perhaps that is a weakening or a social distancing benefit. As people recover perhaps fewer are getting sick. Maybe that’s a good sign. Perhaps this doesn’t “end” but gets to a manageable level.


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[Wayuphere]

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This is a fair question, but it appears China and S Korea are actually beginning to recover. Fewer cases. Perhaps that is a weakening or a social distancing benefit. As people recover perhaps fewer are getting sick. Maybe that’s a good sign. Perhaps this doesn’t “end” but gets to a manageable level.


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https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-testing-covid-19-tests-per-capita-chart-us-behind-2020-3

This article answers your question I believe. Add in the ability of China to clear millions from the streets by fear alone backed by the authorities show of force.
Just look at those testing numbers, S. Korea and the U.S.both reported the virus on the same day and as of this past Sunday they have tested 189000 while we have tested 1707.
Knowing who has it and controlling where they go was the key. That will never happen here due to our "freedoms".

 

[QUFan]

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https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-testing-covid-19-tests-per-capita-chart-us-behind-2020-3

This article answers your question I believe. Add in the ability of China to clear millions from the streets by fear alone backed by the authorities show of force.
Just look at those testing numbers, S. Korea and the U.S.both reported the virus on the same day and as of this past Sunday they have tested 189000 while we have tested 1707.
Knowing who has it and controlling where they go was the key. That will never happen here due to our "freedoms".

Thanks, I’ll read this later. I think population density alone in S Korea warrants testing. I don’t think we could logistically swab relatively comparable numbers of US residents.

And yes there are prices to pay for freedom


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[pdt1081]

3. We're a long way from a vaccine right? Absent a vaccine, the limitation/elimination of public gatherings to limit the virus spread sounds like it would need to last for longer than a few weeks.

Depends on your willingness to wear a tinfoil hat. IF the Chinese weaponized the common cold (which this is) they most certainly would have developed and used a vaccine on themselves, right? Given what the political climate was in Hong Kong and China at the time this started to spread, it's not all that far-fetched. Remember at the beginning, China wasn't (still aren't) all that forthcoming with information or allowing outside help. This is also one of the reasons this has grown as big as it has.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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This is a fair question, but it appears China and S Korea are actually beginning to recover. Fewer cases. Perhaps that is a weakening or a social distancing benefit. As people recover perhaps fewer are getting sick. Maybe that’s a good sign. Perhaps this doesn’t “end” but gets to a manageable level.


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It would be good if China was recovering but you have to remember the only media that comes out of China is what China's government through it's state run media want's said.
There is no independent sources in a communist country so what their government says and what the truth is with China is usually entirely different.

 

[Wayuphere]

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Depends on your willingness to wear a tinfoil hat. IF the Chinese weaponized the common cold (which this is) they most certainly would have developed and used a vaccine on themselves, right? Given what the political climate was in Hong Kong and China at the time this started to spread, it's not all that far-fetched. Remember at the beginning, China wasn't (still aren't) all that forthcoming with information or allowing outside help. This is also one of the reasons this has grown as big as it has.

Sure you aren't describing the White House and their lack of info and responses until yesterday? You want a day by day list of what the Orange Man Child said over the last 2 weeks regarding the virus or what his tool V.P. said while sucking up to in praise while wiping bodily fluids off his lips from the Boss? The word Hoax was used how many times?

Many reports from China, unfiltered, of what happened. Weaponized on purpose theory is fine until you look at the economics of what is going on in China. No way would they self inflict that damage.

Power retention is what drives these leaders, including ours. Tanked economies is not the way to do that.

 

[TheRevengeance]

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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Even if you don't think everything should have been closed, if you have any respect for math you should read this.

 

[Deman]

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I'm not challenging anything you say here, just a few questions:

1. How does the "herd immunity" work?

2. As the virus is passed from person A to person B to person C, etc. does its virulence diminish?

3. We're a long way from a vaccine right? Absent a vaccine, the limitation/elimination of public gatherings to limit the virus spread sounds like it would need to last for longer than a few weeks.

1) In this case, there really isn't a herd immunity to this disease, not yet anyways. Generally speaking, however, if everyone who can be vaccinated to a disease is, then it helps protect those who cannot be inoculated - small children, the elderly, chemo patients, HIV/AIDs infected - basically anyone with a weak immune system, or those that are allergic to something in the vaccines. It's like watching a herd of wild animals - the healthy ones are generally on the outside of the group, while the sick, elderly or young are nearer the center, so they aren't easy prey to predators.

2) No idea, but I'd have to think not. If that were the case, then things like the black plague, the 1918 flu pandemic, etc, wouldn't have been as major, right?

3) Some experts are saying we're months out from a viable vaccine. But with the President's address last night (whether you like him or not), he's claiming a lot of the red tape will be going away concerning research and developing a vaccine. That could be a positive thing and help get something out sooner rather than later. - As for cancelling events and such, I think it makes sense, especially with these big businesses like the NCAA, NBA and probably the NHL to suspend for at least a few weeks then reevaluate. Something may shake out sooner rather than later, and if it does, then they just make up the lost games and the seasons go into July.

Though I think if the status quo is the same, or worse, instead of playing in empty arenas, or suspending a season, they will be cancelled.

 

[ticapnews]

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The Australian Grand Prix is still scheduled but one of the teams backed out this morning when one of them tested positive for the virus. I'd expect that to be canceled as well.

Hope you have Netflix or Disney+ because live sports, music and movies are done for the foreseeable future

 

[ticapnews]

3) Some experts are saying we're months out from a viable vaccine. But with the President's address last night (whether you like him or not), he's claiming a lot of the red tape will be going away concerning research and developing a vaccine.

Yes, but this is the genius who thinks we can use the regular flu vaccine on it and a vaccine specifically for Covid-19 can be ready in a few weeks. Don't worry though, Dr Kushner is on it. I feel much better.

 

[giwan]

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What are the effects of this virus?

 

[HockeyRef]

1) In this case, there really isn't a herd immunity to this disease, not yet anyways. Generally speaking, however, if everyone who can be vaccinated to a disease is, then it helps protect those who cannot be inoculated - small children, the elderly, chemo patients, HIV/AIDs infected - basically anyone with a weak immune system, or those that are allergic to something in the vaccines. It's like watching a herd of wild animals - the healthy ones are generally on the outside of the group, while the sick, elderly or young are nearer the center, so they aren't easy prey to predators.

2) No idea, but I'd have to think not. If that were the case, then things like the black plague, the 1918 flu pandemic, etc, wouldn't have been as major, right?

3) Some experts are saying we're months out from a viable vaccine. But with the President's address last night (whether you like him or not), he's claiming a lot of the red tape will be going away concerning research and developing a vaccine. That could be a positive thing and help get something out sooner rather than later. - As for cancelling events and such, I think it makes sense, especially with these big businesses like the NCAA, NBA and probably the NHL to suspend for at least a few weeks then reevaluate. Something may shake out sooner rather than later, and if it does, then they just make up the lost games and the seasons go into July.

Though I think if the status quo is the same, or worse, instead of playing in empty arenas, or suspending a season, they will be cancelled.

Great answers to those questions posed. I'll just add that a vaccine is most likely going to take awhile due to testing requirements for safety etc. Glad that the President said they would push through the red tape. That's what had to happen with the new HIV drugs that were released in 1996...normally it could take 3 to 5 years to get a drug out..

If you watch Magic Johnsons 30 for 30 ESPN special he had the means early in his infection to connect with docs like David Ho who eventually master minded these drugs. And we are talking 1991 ish. (that said MJ also could have contracted a weak form of HIV OR his immune system had a variation that the virus didnt "understand) Still no vaccine for HIV but this is a totally diff animal (heck there's still no vaccine for the common cold)

Lots prob will change rapidly with this...just hope we don't lose a ton of people in the process.

 

[HockeyRef]

What are the effects of this virus?

Could be as light as a "cold" or as dangerous as severe pneumonia that could kill a person depending on their age and other pre existing conditions. The spikes on the virus attach to the throat and lungs; they have a "heart" shape to them hence the term "corona" which means heart. Definitely going to affect people in different ways depending on many variables. Hate to use the term "flu like symptoms" as this is not the flu (it causes pneumonia) but has similar symptoms. Interestingly Tom Hanks and his wife had fevers and chills which alerted them to be tested.

My students made pamphlets using this fact sheet which explains a lot about the virus...

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6796908/Seattle-Times-Coronavirus-Fact-Sheet.pdf

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Could be as light as a "cold" or as dangerous as severe pneumonia that could kill a person depending on their age and other pre existing conditions. The spikes on the virus attach to the throat and lungs; they have a "heart" shape to them hence the term "corona" which means heart. Definitely going to affect people in different ways depending on many variables. Hate to use the term "flu like symptoms" as this is not the flu (it causes pneumonia) but has similar symptoms. Interestingly Tom Hanks and his wife had fevers and chills which alerted them to be tested.

Um... Corona refers to the crown they appear to look like, not the heart...

 

[HockeyRef]

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Um... Corona refers to the crown they appear to look like, not the heart...

oh duh!!! I've been out sick all week myself...correct you are!