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COVID-19 The 7th Part: We're Gonna Be Number One Soon!
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Testing and contact tracing is why South Korea did a better job than us at controlling this.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/what-matters-april-8/index.html
Not downplaying COVID at all but the 1 million American deaths I saw some people peddling at the start of all this was always ridiculous. Everyone just keep doing your part. With the expected peak arriving soon, there is hope on the horizon.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/what-matters-april-8/index.html
Not downplaying COVID at all but the 1 million American deaths I saw some people peddling at the start of all this was always ridiculous. Everyone just keep doing your part. With the expected peak arriving soon, there is hope on the horizon.
psych
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Re: COVID-19 The 7th Part: We're Gonna Be Number One Soon!
So, you're saying that if social distancing and SIP orders weren't enacted quickly by almost every state, 1 million deaths was still going to be ridiculous?
So, you're saying that if social distancing and SIP orders weren't enacted quickly by almost every state, 1 million deaths was still going to be ridiculous?
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the point of the "do nothing" prediction is to scare people into taking action
the point of the "do nothing" prediction is to scare people into taking action
I think that needs to be capitalized and bolded for people based off some of the stuff I read at the beginning. But point taken.
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Movie theaters? Heck no. Hotels? Maybe (they are just like temporary apartments, you know, and there are a lot of apt buildings out there). I see how many people pass through gas stations, and yes they are essential, but do you see them wiping down everything outside (handles, keypads, etc) after every customer? Nope.
Even Walz (MN guv) and his staff are going through sector by sector now, to see if SOME things can start operating again, even with the shutdown order.
Movie theaters? Heck no. Hotels? Maybe (they are just like temporary apartments, you know, and there are a lot of apt buildings out there). I see how many people pass through gas stations, and yes they are essential, but do you see them wiping down everything outside (handles, keypads, etc) after every customer? Nope.
Even Walz (MN guv) and his staff are going through sector by sector now, to see if SOME things can start operating again, even with the shutdown order.
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Burd made a well reasoned argument awhile back, making this same point, and I get the idea. But I also think there is some danger in the "experts" and everyone else throwing around large numbers when everyone admits we really have no idea at all where the numbers are going to turn out to be, whether we act or not. Here's the danger. This time we tell everyone that if they don't act there will be millions that die, and even if we do act as many as a quarter million in this country will die.
Now, what happens if some of the recent predictions turn out to be true and maybe 60,000 die? What happens the next time? Frankly, I've been pretty impressed with the response of the country in those locations where shelter in place orders have been implemented. I think a large majority have followed the orders, and most of the people out and about are the large number of "essential" workers that every state permits.
There will be a "next time," of that everyone should be sure. How will the public respond then when Governor Walz told us that even if we do act, 20,000 Minnesotan's will die, and it turns out to be 953?
That is my concern.
Burd made a well reasoned argument awhile back, making this same point, and I get the idea. But I also think there is some danger in the "experts" and everyone else throwing around large numbers when everyone admits we really have no idea at all where the numbers are going to turn out to be, whether we act or not. Here's the danger. This time we tell everyone that if they don't act there will be millions that die, and even if we do act as many as a quarter million in this country will die.
Now, what happens if some of the recent predictions turn out to be true and maybe 60,000 die? What happens the next time? Frankly, I've been pretty impressed with the response of the country in those locations where shelter in place orders have been implemented. I think a large majority have followed the orders, and most of the people out and about are the large number of "essential" workers that every state permits.
There will be a "next time," of that everyone should be sure. How will the public respond then when Governor Walz told us that even if we do act, 20,000 Minnesotan's will die, and it turns out to be 953?
That is my concern.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: COVID-19 The 7th Part: We're Gonna Be Number One Soon!
I'm gonna guess board was a little mad that Bernie dropped out, and decided to lick his wounds and torture us by moving the thread.
I'm gonna guess board was a little mad that Bernie dropped out, and decided to lick his wounds and torture us by moving the thread.
psych
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Eh, I think it was perfectly reasonable, considering at the time, when there were few, if any SIP ordered, 1 million deaths was an accurate prediction, based on the models. I’m thankful most states, including mine, responded fairly quickly, within a few weeks or so of their first case, with a SIP. It hopefully means I’m less likely to receive overflow covid-19 patients at the inpatient psych hospital where I work.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: COVID-19 The 7th Part: We're Gonna Be Number One Soon!
As a lot of the governors who made the call early have said, it's better for John & Jane Q. Public to complain the gubmint overreacted when "only" a handful die, than for them to say the gubmint hung everyone out to dry after a million die. The fact they can't or refuse to comprehend basic mathematical modeling, isn't the problem of us "educated elites".
As a lot of the governors who made the call early have said, it's better for John & Jane Q. Public to complain the gubmint overreacted when "only" a handful die, than for them to say the gubmint hung everyone out to dry after a million die. The fact they can't or refuse to comprehend basic mathematical modeling, isn't the problem of us "educated elites".
rufus
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I think if you look at the response of the feds so far, yes, we are THAT dumb.
At least the state and local governments aren't completely incompetent. Yet. MAGA.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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This is the same yankee-doodle-dumbass that came out after Y2K. "What a nothingburger! So much fuss over nothing!"
Well, yeah, because we put in millions of man-hours to fix everything from the banks to the weight transmitters on equipment that makes adhesives for Post-Its. (They still have Y2K stickers on them. )
This is the same yankee-doodle-dumbass that came out after Y2K. "What a nothingburger! So much fuss over nothing!"
Well, yeah, because we put in millions of man-hours to fix everything from the banks to the weight transmitters on equipment that makes adhesives for Post-Its. (They still have Y2K stickers on them.
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rufus
rock and roller
And that's Covfefe breeding ground. Or, are you saying since they aren't wiping them down, must be ok.
Now, open up more like you want, also not wiping down, and what do you get?
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
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We're getting both sides of the coin right now between competent states and the Feds...
We're getting both sides of the coin right now between competent states and the Feds...
rufus
rock and roller
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: COVID-19 The 7th Part: We're Gonna Be Number One Soon!
Even if the red state morons didn't do anything, thankfully the big blue states did react when they did. Imagine if NYC had Mississippi's governor. The entire country would have been ****ed because one of the larges cities didn't react. That action by Cuomo saved lives across the country. Same thing with Newsom.
Even if the red state morons didn't do anything, thankfully the big blue states did react when they did. Imagine if NYC had Mississippi's governor. The entire country would have been ****ed because one of the larges cities didn't react. That action by Cuomo saved lives across the country. Same thing with Newsom.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
This is the same yankee-doodle-dumbass that came out after Y2K. "What a nothingburger! So much fuss over nothing!"
Well, yeah, because we put in millions of man-hours to fix everything from the banks to the weight transmitters on equipment that makes adhesives for Post-Its. (They still have Y2K stickers on them.
Except that the Y2K bug was kicked down the road by programmers racing to ensure Y2K compliance, forgetting that some of these these systems would still be in use 20 years later.
I have seen modern CNC machines that are still based on Windows95, and some modern asphalt lab testing equipment still require DOT Matrix printers with serial ports.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
But he's Pro-Life, dontcha know!!
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: COVID-19 The 7th Part: We're Gonna Be Number One Soon!
I am all for them reviewing if specific industries currently deemed non-essential can receive less stringent restrictions but that's not what you advocated for when you talked about letting mom and pop restaurant open and used your own work experience as an example of putting yourself out there.
I am all for them reviewing if specific industries currently deemed non-essential can receive less stringent restrictions but that's not what you advocated for when you talked about letting mom and pop restaurant open and used your own work experience as an example of putting yourself out there.
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