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COVID-19 - Part 2

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Conservative Pundits Weren’t the Only Ones to Get the Pandemic Wrong
By JONATHAN S. TOBIN
April 3, 2020 5:46 PM

On February 5, the Times published an op-ed by global-tourism reporter Rosie Spinks under the headline, “Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China?” The article, an argument against Trump’s restrictions on flights from China, took the point of view that the real problem with the virus was that it was promoting hate against Chinese people and hurting the travel industry.

The same intellectual reflex motivated politicians such as New York City mayor Bill de Blasio and his health commissioner, Oxiris Barbot, to spend February and part of March dismissing the pandemic. They urged New Yorkers to disregard any fears about the virus and attend the Chinese New Year celebrations and parade in New York’s Chinatown. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did the same thing while promoting the Chinese New Year festivities held in her native San Francisco’s Chinatown. In retrospect, such advocacy is hard to defend given the likelihood that the virus was already starting to spread. But at the time, the looming danger wasn’t yet clear, so the political needs of the moment took precedence.

Meanwhile, on January 31, the Washington Post published an op-ed by former Harvard professor David Ropeik that sought to dismiss fears about the impending pandemic as a figment of our collective imagination, mocking the notion of a “global health emergency.” A few days, later the Post ran another opinion piece by a pair of academics under the headline “Why we should be wary of an aggressive government response to coronavirus,” which claimed fears about the pandemic were merely an invitation to “harsh measures” that would “scapegoat marginalized populations.”

It's interesting ... all New Yorkers read the New York Times and on February 5th the New York Times was promoting travel to China .... in other words suicide. No wonder New York City is in such a mess. The New York Times and deBlasio and his health commissioner Oxiris Barbot have blood on their hands .....
 
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Dutchman said:
"Then Homeland security adviser Fran Townsend told ABC News that Bush put together a comprehensive pandemic plan in an intense effort over three years ...."

A USA Today fact-check showed that the Obama administration allowed the N95 mask stockpile to deplete following a series of crises ...."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/k...020/04/05/id/961489/?gdpr_consent=&gdpr=false

Bush was prepared... Obama dropped the ball... Trump was right that Obama left a mess. Did the CDC fail to replenish the supply?
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Dutchman, ok, Obama may have dropped the ball on letting the equipment supply deteriorate/not maintain supplies. Funny though, Trump has been president for 3.5 years now and, has had numerous warnings about the possibility of a pandemic, including an actual exercise on a pandemic at the very beginning of his administration. Three and a half years is a pretty long time in any administration. How much responsibility does the Trump administration have in what the status of that stockpile was in at the start of this? Considering Trump's administration was aware of the situation 3.5 years ago, shouldn't they bear the majority of the blame? I think anyone applying common sense and logic would normally come to that conclusion. Still, I await your to hear your well reasoned response. :rolleyes:
 
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Dutchman, ok, Obama may have dropped the ball on letting the equipment supply deteriorate/not maintain supplies. Funny though, Trump has been president for 3.5 years now and, has had numerous warnings about the possibility of a pandemic, including an actual exercise on a pandemic at the very beginning of his administration. Three and a half years is a pretty long time in any administration. How much responsibility does the Trump administration have in what the status of that stockpile was in at the start of this? Considering Trump's administration was aware of the situation 3.5 years ago, shouldn't they bear the majority of the blame? I think anyone applying common sense and logic would normally come to that conclusion. Still, I await your to hear your well reasoned response. :rolleyes:
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Was not Obama president 8 years prior to Trump ? So he had 8 years to fix the "problem" but did not ? I love playing the blame game. Its so counterproductive.
 
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Chuck, I'm disappointed. Three posts today and not one sentence devoted to my message to you from last night? Cat got your tongue? Or, is the lack of a response your way of simply acknowledging that you really can't respond to my points without looking foolish? :D
 
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net presence said:
Chuck, I'm disappointed. Three posts today and not one sentence devoted to my message to you from last night? Cat got your tongue? Or, is the lack of a response your way of simply acknowledging that you really can't respond to my points without looking foolish? :D
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When has he ever been worried about looking foolish?
 
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net presence said:
Chuck, I'm disappointed. Three posts today and not one sentence devoted to my message to you from last night? Cat got your tongue? Or, is the lack of a response your way of simply acknowledging that you really can't respond to my points without looking foolish? :D
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Are you challenging Chuckie as chief blowhard on this board ? Just so you know, he's held that title for quite some time. :D
 
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Let's be blunt, here. Anyone who seriously suggested that "the cure may be worse than the disease" at any point during this crisis in regards to social distancing and closure of businesses should really just remove themselves from the conversation, as they clearly lack the knowledge and expertise to be commenting on this situation.

It's a **** shame that professional sports commissioners and the NCAA had to be the ones to lead on this in the early days, but their actions (along with Rudy Gobert accelerating the process by testing positive) almost certainly saved a few days in terms of getting this into the collective consciousness and likely saved thousands of people's lives, and at least prodded many governors to start acting, even if the federal government continued to drag it's feet in actually acting like it was an emergency even afterwards.
 
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Funny, Jared, Dr. Oz, Rudy Giuliani, Peter Navarro, and who knows all who else are unelected, far from experts, and yet, they seem to be the ones in charge of the dismal federal "response" to this pandemic, but oh well.

And I didn't play any 'race card'. I know for a fact Chick's an old white guy, and that is indeed the primary component of Dimwit Donnie's 'base'. Just curious if he fits any of the other demographics as well.

You know, just asking the question.

I notice, you did everything but answer.....
 
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Was not Obama president 8 years prior to Trump ? So he had 8 years to fix the "problem" but did not ? I love playing the blame game. Its so counterproductive.
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acs64, seriously, is understanding nuance really that difficult? The point I'm making is that despite the possibility Obama may have "dropped the ball" in regards to the national stockpile, the vast majority of people would expect that the administration currently in charge, especially considering they've been in control for 3.5 years, as well as the fact they did a freaking pandemic exercise at the very beginning of the administration, had plenty of time to fix the problem so that the supplies would be where they needed to be. Remember, the first two years of the administration they controlled both houses of Congress as well. Of course, when you're giving the top 1% and corporations a massive tax cut that they didn't need which increased the debt unnecessarily, probably removed enough purchasing power which prevented them from spending money on stuff that, if needed, would benefit the average person far more than the 1%. So yes, to anyone with any common sense or logic, Trump's administration quite obviously deserves FAR more responsibility. And by the way, I'll wait to establish a final opinion on this topic until I have the time to research more about whether Obama tried to fix it but was prevented from doing so by the fact the right controlled Congress for much of Obama's term.
 
Acs, aren’t you like 100 years old? You should be more concerned.
Sad to see you’re a MAGA cult member.
 
acs64 said:
Was not Obama president 8 years prior to Trump ? So he had 8 years to fix the "problem" but did not ? I love playing the blame game. Its so counterproductive.
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If you would bother to actually learn what happened, yes, supplies were depleted somewhat because of the H1N1 epidemic in 2012. Obama's next several budgets included money to replace those, but due to the presence of the Freedom Caucus Repubs in the House, and Republican control of the Senate, along with the sequestration process implemented, not only was that spending increase cut, but current budget levels were reduced.

And if it was such a problem, Dimwit Donnie's had three years to identify and correct such issues. Oh wait, all of his budgets have recommended cutting that spending even further. My bad.
 
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net presence said:
Dutchman, ok, Obama may have dropped the ball on letting the equipment supply deteriorate/not maintain supplies. Funny though, Trump has been president for 3.5 years now and, has had numerous warnings about the possibility of a pandemic, including an actual exercise on a pandemic at the very beginning of his administration. Three and a half years is a pretty long time in any administration. How much responsibility does the Trump administration have in what the status of that stockpile was in at the start of this? Considering Trump's administration was aware of the situation 3.5 years ago, shouldn't they bear the majority of the blame? I think anyone applying common sense and logic would normally come to that conclusion. Still, I await your to hear your well reasoned response. :rolleyes:
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No one asked me but... Donald Tramp seemed to misunderstand the nature of the enemy represented by the Virus. He couldn't buy it off. He couldn't fire it. He couldn't bad mouth it into a humble, tail between its legs as it slinks away. He tried ignoring it. It refused to bow to his will. He viewed it as a potential failure, but he couldn't acknowledge it until he had a scapegoat to pin the blame on. He's an absolute genius at finding "blamees", especially among his legion of political enemies He cannot take the blame for anything. That might cost him votes from the Lemmings he is counting on the re-elect him and simultaneously stave off the indictments he will surely face if he loses. his Motto: "ALL FOR DONALD, AND DONALD FOR DONALD"
Now, let's use our imaginations: What laws will constrain him if he wins and has four years to wreak havoc? Frightening! What would he look like with a prison haircut and without his makeup? Scary.
 
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HHound said:
No one asked me but... Donald Tramp seemed to misunderstand the nature of the enemy represented by the Virus. He couldn't buy it off. He couldn't fire it. He couldn't bad mouth it into a humble, tail between its legs as it slinks away. He tried ignoring it. It refused to bow to his will. He viewed it as a potential failure, but he couldn't acknowledge it until he had a scapegoat to pin the blame on. He's an absolute genius at finding "blamees", especially among his legion of political enemies He cannot take the blame for anything. That might cost him votes from the Lemmings he is counting on the re-elect him and simultaneously stave off the indictments he will surely face if he loses. his Motto: "ALL FOR DONALD, AND DONALD FOR DONALD"
Now, let's use our imaginations: What laws will constrain him if he wins and has four years to wreak havoc? Frightening! What would he look like with a prison haircut and without his makeup? Scary.
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Well said HHound.

I'm sure I'll get roasted by some on these boards for being a Canadian with an opinion on this farce that is the Trump administration, but here I go. Long before this coronavirus situation began, I considered Trump and his band of Republican enablers a joke - there's too much evidence available to rehash here, but it's out there in audio and video for all to hear and see. Before COVID19, I felt bad for my American family members (who are not part of his flock of sheep), as they've had to live through this administration for the past 3+ years. Now, I'm worried for them and all Americans as the bungling and denial the administration is demonstrating in "dealing" with this situation has resulted in lives lost. He's not responsible for the virus, but is responsible for the slow responses to the needs of cities and states as they try to deal with the overwhelming task of trying to get the American people through this awful time.

I watch a lot of the daily press conferences and often just shake my head at what I hear coming from the mouth of the President of the United States. It's obvious his only concern is the economy and it's direct relation to his possible re-election. I don't think he's capable of comprehending what is really going on in his own country and around the world.

Watching him now "answering" questions from reporters...what a jerk!
 
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Hoover said:
on this farce that is the Trump administration.
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Betcha just sittin there on the Chesterfield counting the scraps of the Loonies and Toonies the Bytowners let you Hosers put in your pocket. All the while looking at the sweet pic of Justin in the blackface. Yeah, has to make you mighty proud.
 
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Whalers said:
Betcha just sittin there on the Chesterfield counting the scraps of the Loonies and Toonies the Bytowners let you Hosers put in your pocket. All the while looking at the sweet pic of Justin in the blackface. Yeah, has to make you mighty proud.
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Thanks for confirming my thoughts about so many Trump supporters...if you don't like what you see/hear just lash out like a child. So predictable...

FYI, I'm not a supporter of Justin Trudeau, and I think he's a joke also (...but not even close to the level of Trump).
 
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