Covfefe-19: We Can Handle Slight Inconveniences. Part 8.

[rufus]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHash5takWU

even better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77KYXLg4_4

 

[alfablue]

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Went to the grocery yesterday evening, and almost everyone was wearing a mask (since it is required). Surprised there haven't been more confrontations about it here, given the astroturfing going on in Lansing and the Pubbies suing to block Whitmer's extension.

I'm sure you've seen the polls that a vast majority of people are very much in favor of how the Governor is dealing with this.

So I work for one of the Big 3, and I find it endlessly amusing to see the "autoworkers for dump" signs at the rallies. The Unions, as a whole, are being SUPER cautious about returning to work. So what the protesters are claiming does not align with reality at all.

Let alone the point aparch made about the stay at home order vs. the state of emergency.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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It floors me that they're protesting her state of emergency declaration extension. That is separate from her stay-at-home order. The emergency order, if I remember correctly, allows her to receive federal aid, assistance, and funding regarding this (or anything else she declares a state emergency for). It's like the emergency declaration she signed in January 2019 because of the -50 windchill weather they had.

These people don't even know what the fu** they're protesting about!!!

They’re too stupid to understand the difference.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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The Unions, as a whole, are being SUPER cautious about returning to work.

When you say the unions, do you mean the leadership of the union and official communications, or the rank-and-file? The union I currently work for is all about following CDC guidelines, supporting governors who are showing true leadership and letting science and evidence guide decisions. The members though are almost all lined up on the opposite side and the vast majority of them who will bother to vote will be voting for trump. In February COVID-19 was a hoax and now that they are tired of hunkering down at home, orders like "safer at home" are unconstitutional. Many do want their 2 weeks of paid sick time to stay home though, and quite a few have taken advantage of 2/3rds pay to utilize leave time to care for children. Hypocrites, one and all.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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And then they try to do it safely and restaurant customers THREATEN employees when told they need to wear masks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736

Every place is opening up too soon. No do it safely. This is never going to end. I’m terrified for this country right now.

I'm terrified too. For more than just because of a dangerous virus.

We are seeing an actual breakdown of law and order. Only it is the exact opposite of what is usually meant when that phrase is uttered. Usually it is a dog whistle to keep white folk scared of black and brown folk, or rich folk (and the wannabee rich folk) afraid of the 99%. Governors are issuing perfectly reasonable -- and perfectly legal and constitutional -- mandates in an attempt to keep their states safer. And yet, we have duly elected law enforcement officials who say they have no intention of continuing to enforce laws and mandates they are constitutionally required to enforce. If that is not a breakdown of law and order, what the hell is? Or protesters, in the hundreds, and even in the thousands in some states, many of them armed to the teeth, are out in defiance of legal orders and mandates. Endangering everyone they come in contact with, either because they are carrying a deadly virus, or because they are carrying a deadly weapon, and in an agitated and angry manner. Or by threatening violence as we have seen in places like Oklahoma when asked to comply with reasonable -- and again, perfectly legal and constitutional -- mandates to wear a face covering.

And not because their rights have been illegally usurped. Black Panthers holding rallies at state houses armed with semi automatic weapons looked just as scary, but they were protesting a system that used cops and banks and real estate agents and schools to prevent them from living a safe life, and that preventing was almost always done by using ILLEGAL means and tactics. Comparing these current "patriots" to that, or even to things like Black Lives Matter and the protests of the 99%ers in recent years misses the mark by a wide margin.

I'm terrified because I think we are running out of elections to make positive change and progress and to solve our problems with political solutions. This country is at an inflection point every bit as monumental as the one it was in the middle of the 19th century. Are we going to solve it with words and ideas and ballot boxes? Or with bullets? I hope the former and not the latter, because the other side, while clearly smaller in numbers, appears far more heavily armed than my side.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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Speaking of law and order

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">*Blinks in BLM* <a href="https://t.co/AtXQB6Crru">pic.twitter.com/AtXQB6Crru</a></p>— TyreeBP (@TyreeBP) <a href="https://twitter.com/TyreeBP/status/1256813343764918272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Threatening the police. <a href="https://t.co/7hUrjqw28F">https://t.co/7hUrjqw28F</a></p>— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) <a href="https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1256721611555655680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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Some good stuff in here

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">COVID Update May 2: Welcome to 30 days of bliss. The type of bliss that often comes from ignorance. 1/</p>— Andy Slavitt @ (@ASlavitt) <a href="https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1256736767199371264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[alfablue]

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When you say the unions, do you mean the leadership of the union and official communications, or the rank-and-file? The union I currently work for is all about following CDC guidelines, supporting governors who are showing true leadership and letting science and evidence guide decisions. The members though are almost all lined up on the opposite side and the vast majority of them who will bother to vote will be voting for trump. In February COVID-19 was a hoax and now that they are tired of hunkering down at home, orders like "safer at home" are unconstitutional. Many do want their 2 weeks of paid sick time to stay home though, and quite a few have taken advantage of 2/3rds pay to utilize leave time to care for children. Hypocrites, one and all.

The ones I know of want to be cautious. I'm sure the vocal ones who were dumb enough to vote for dumpy want to take their pay cuts while the companies have been buying back stocks.

People do want to work, sure. But they seem to want to be careful.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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The post-Trump FBI needs to be rebuilt and unchained from keeping tabs on domestic terror cells like the Oath Keepers and all these various state militia groups.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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The post-Trump FBI needs to be rebuilt and unchained from keeping tabs on domestic terror cells like the Oath Keepers and all these various state militia groups.

The state authorities should be doing it right now. These idiot terrorists charging into the capitol in Michigan armed to the teeth weren't just carrying their weapons, they were brandishing their weapons. While the former is usually a protected right, the latter is a crime. In Michigan in fact I believe the standard is only carrying or displaying the weapon in a manner to induce fear in a reasonable person. In an age of mass shootings, in fact when lawmakers have been targeted, how can any reasonable person conclude that the protesters weren't attempting to induce fear in some lawmakers, thus committing a crime?

There is some truth to the notion that if we just enforced the gun laws already on the books properly, we'd be a lot further ahead in the game of lessening gun violence. Which doesn't mean we need monster sized clips and weapons that are easy to convert into or mimic full automatic weapons. We don't and they should be eliminated today. But at least enforce the laws that already exist.

 

[rufus]

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A few of these people need to be shot, just like they would be if they were unarmed black folk.

These nuts might think a bit before attending their next rage-fest.

 

[aparch]

The state authorities should be doing it right now. These idiot terrorists charging into the capitol in Michigan armed to the teeth weren't just carrying their weapons, they were brandishing their weapons. While the former is usually a protected right, the latter is a crime. In Michigan in fact I believe the standard is only carrying or displaying the weapon in a manner to induce fear in a reasonable person. In an age of mass shootings, in fact when lawmakers have been targeted, how can any reasonable person conclude that the protesters weren't attempting to induce fear in some lawmakers, thus committing a crime?

There is some truth to the notion that if we just enforced the gun laws already on the books properly, we'd be a lot further ahead in the game of lessening gun violence. Which doesn't mean we need monster sized clips and weapons that are easy to convert into or mimic full automatic weapons. We don't and they should be eliminated today. But at least enforce the laws that already exist.

I believe "brandishing" in Michigan is defined as "to point, wave about, or display in a threatening manner with the intent to induce fear in a reasonable person."

The 'display in a threatening manner with intent to induce fear in a reasonable person' is, unfortunately, up for interpretation by a lawyer despite that being exactly why they were wearing their rifles like Dora the Explorer backpacks around the capitol.

 

[UCBadger]

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Portland, Maine, Population 66417*


Now at a fifteenth of a million (more or less....).


* US Census Bureau 2018 estimate

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fulton County (Atlanta) had 1,232 new confirmed covid-19 cases yesterday, the second most ever. That’s a per capita rate 5 times New York City’s. <a href="https://t.co/6d0PoAHjja">https://t.co/6d0PoAHjja</a></p>— Kurt Andersen (@KBAndersen) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBAndersen/status/1256777720865882113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[rufus]

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Goddam, it's gonna get ugly in those southern and rural parts of the country, especially the ones easing social distancing, or never implemented it in the first place.

the sheer numbers may not be as large as in NYC and the other big cities, just because of geographical distance, it may not explode exponentially as it did there, but it's gonna be steady, and long term.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I believe "brandishing" in Michigan is defined as "to point, wave about, or display in a threatening manner with the intent to induce fear in a reasonable person."

The 'display in a threatening manner with intent to induce fear in a reasonable person' is, unfortunately, up for interpretation by a lawyer despite that being exactly why they were wearing their rifles like Dora the Explorer backpacks around the capitol.

The terms in your definition are the correct ones. Display being the key one. Some of those lawmakers need to testify they were afraid for their lives and safety due to the action of some of the protesters displaying weapons. I have no doubt they would be telling the truth. We know police officers have forever gotten away with shooting unarmed people by testifying they were in fear for their safety. In fact, that claim is even true sometimes and someone like me (who rarely thinks cops act well) believes they acted appropriately in discharging their firearm. These people were not displaying the semi automatic rifles because they just happened to have them on hand. Many things in the law are perception, and this is one of those things. I think it is worth pursuing. I'm willing to bet most probably don't agree with me, even some who have even more progressive views about gun control than I currently have.

 

[Kepler]

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Goddam, it's gonna get ugly in those southern and rural parts of the country, especially the ones easing social distancing, or never implemented it in the first place.

the sheer numbers may not be as large as in NYC and the other big cities, just because of geographical distance, it may not explode exponentially as it did there, but it's gonna be steady, and long term.

Probability question that I have forgotten how to do.

p - population of marbles
r - number of removed marbles
t - mean number of touches for a marble
k - number of marbles that have touched a removed marble

Characterize f(p, r, t, k)

Characterize g(p, r, t) when k/p > .5

I think if we assume r is distributed evenly through p then we can restate the problem as:

d - ratio of removed marbles over all marbles
s - ratio of touches for a marble over all marbles
b - ratio of marbles that have touched a removed marble over all marbles

Characterize f(d, t, b)

Characterize g(d, t) when b > .5

p - population
r - removal
t - touch
k - knowing
d - death
s - sociability
b - bereavement

 

[Wayuphere]

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My feelings are shifting from mild sympathy because of their ignorance (stupidity?) to a more unnerving feeling of “bring it on” as your rights end when my or my family’s life is threatened by your behavior.

This.could.be.bad.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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My feelings are shifting from mild sympathy because of their ignorance (stupidity?) to a more unnerving feeling of “bring it on” as your rights end when my or my family’s life is threatened by your behavior.

This.could.be.bad.

I'm past the point of caring. Give them heroin, give them COVID blankets.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The post-Trump FBI needs to be rebuilt and unchained from keeping tabs on domestic terror cells like the Oath Keepers and all these various state militia groups.

Local law enforcement and federal know about this. A top cop neighbor of mine told me that the briefings they received from the feds scared the **** out of them when it came to white radicals. it’s going to be the biggest cause for concern in the next ten years.