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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Kepler said:
What is this idiot on about? Is it some Dumpy meme I haven't come across? I do not understand anything in its post.
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At this point, who has any idea what in the world people are thinking.

Isn't a 16 hour nap, a 104deg temp with your spouse wiping you down and keeping you warm at the same time, utter exhaustion.... just a normal cold?

There are SO many things I just don't get- beyond the data- which is STILL heavily leaning toward vaccinated and boosted (there's a 15x greater risk for unvaxxord over 50 to die- it's pretty clear), it's really clear that the "mild cold" symptoms are almost exclusive to vaccinated people. But it's the excuse people give to NOT get vaccinated. Insanity.

The death data isn't bad, if that's against the entire population. It's really bad when you look at just the unvaccinated population (which is ~34%, I think), but the gross majority of deaths.

But, hey, don't let people's personal experience and the data get in away of a good excuse to follow an authoritarian.
 
leswp1 said:
THe whole point is the CDC was focusing on the economy and social 'needs'. The public is stupid. They are spoiled. The CDC is enabling stupid. No one wants to acknowledge it is still spreading or that it has any impact. We are all supposed to pretend it is gone and pretend all the effects from the stupid aren't affecting us. :roll eyes:
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MichVandal said:
Boy, ain’t that a fact. In the last two days, two people got sick on another board. One of them was vaccinated, and barely got sick, the other wasn’t but got up to a miserable 104- both threads had a lot of antivaxxors who all claim to be right even though there still is a good chance of death for the unvaccinated.

edit- there's still a huge crowd that think just because you get infected, the vaccine doesn't work. And that it's worth taking a chance of not being vaccinated- even though you end up getting it more than once- because the 2nd and 3rd time are minor, it's obviously harmless. As if 1M dead Americans are meaningless.

crazy.
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As a card-carrying member of the "vaxed / boosted / will get further suggested shots" but otherwise done club, I'll play:

Given that this is never going away, and we are not faced with a lack of hospital recourses for those who do get very sick (as well as having treatment options we did not have at the start of the pandemic).... at what point would you think we should "go back to normal" stop quarantining / staying out of work or school etc for 5 days based on a potential exposure? What metrics would you use?

It is pretty clear that as this has evolved into less serious variants and more and more of the population has some immunity (either through exposure or vaccination) that it has become not much more than a cold or flu for the overwhelming majority of us. In my opinion it is at the point where it should be treated as such.

I feel badly for the friend who had the 104 fever, but on the flip side that was partially his choice. Should my non sick kids really have to miss a week of school because others are too stupid or stubborn to get the free, safe, readily available vaccine.

Obviously if you are sick, stay home (just as you should with any illness) but quarantining based on exposure etc has outlived its usefulness.
 
ericredaxe said:
.... at what point would you think we should "go back to normal"
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At least 12 months ago. Right after Gavin had his maskless French Laundry party and the Obama's their big Vineyard soiree - the one with all the Go Green people flying from all over the world in PRIVATE jets to a WATERFRONT mansion to dance, drink and whatever else ...... sans masks, or shame. (if the compound needs a catchy name, how about Hypocrisy) :-)
 
Whalers said:
At least 12 months ago. Right after Gavin had his maskless French Laundry party and the Obama's their big Vineyard soiree - the one with all the Go Green people flying from all over the world in PRIVATE jets to a WATERFRONT mansion to dance, drink and whatever else ...... sans masks, or shame. (if the compound needs a catchy name, how about Hypocrisy) :-)
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Oh - you buy into the far-right propaganda. I was hoping to have a real discussion on how the situation has evolved over the years and how things should be handled now. Personally, I think the CDC has done a pretty reasonable job considering and evolving situation that we knew nothing about when it first started.
 
Whalers said:
At least 12 months ago. Right after Gavin had his maskless French Laundry party and the Obama's their big Vineyard soiree - the one with all the Go Green people flying from all over the world in PRIVATE jets to a WATERFRONT mansion to dance, drink and whatever else ...... sans masks, or shame. (if the compound needs a catchy name, how about Hypocrisy) :-)
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If the New York Post came to life as a junior college jock.
 
ericredaxe said:
Oh - you buy into the far-right propaganda. I was hoping to have a real discussion
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No, I like to look at REAL evidence and not the "science", that was completely bastardized. The two examples I gave were REAL events and obviously none of these people with power were in anyway fearful of contracting covid and dying, this cant be refuted, or they wouldnt have had these gatherings. So who should we have been protecting (remember the avg covid death was over 80, the avg life expectancy is 77)? If you have pre-existing conditions, by all means take every precaution you want, this was borne out by all of the statistics. If not, the chances of death were miniscule at best.

I know there will be plenty of onesie twosie examples of perfectly healthy people dying of covid. I am sorry that occurred, but that is statistically no different than my supremely healthy good friend recently dying from a cancer that you ONLY GET from heavy smoking or radon poisoning. Neither pertained to him, but he still died. These events can be filed under "winning the lottery", happens to everyone eventually, just not always a good thing.
 
ericredaxe said:
As a card-carrying member of the "vaxed / boosted / will get further suggested shots" but otherwise done club, I'll play:

Given that this is never going away, and we are not faced with a lack of hospital recourses for those who do get very sick (as well as having treatment options we did not have at the start of the pandemic).... at what point would you think we should "go back to normal" stop quarantining / staying out of work or school etc for 5 days based on a potential exposure? What metrics would you use?

It is pretty clear that as this has evolved into less serious variants and more and more of the population has some immunity (either through exposure or vaccination) that it has become not much more than a cold or flu for the overwhelming majority of us. In my opinion it is at the point where it should be treated as such.

I feel badly for the friend who had the 104 fever, but on the flip side that was partially his choice. Should my non sick kids really have to miss a week of school because others are too stupid or stubborn to get the free, safe, readily available vaccine.

Obviously if you are sick, stay home (just as you should with any illness) but quarantining based on exposure etc has outlived its usefulness.
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I think at this point we should just go with it, and let the dumb die. I'm just pointing out the excuses the unvaxxord make thinking that they have as little risk as the vaccinated, let alone boosted. I also hope that people can get over individuals who are being cautious- I keep hearing stories about masked people get flack for being careful. Let them- it doesn't harm the dumb.

Yes, it's evolved into something less deadly, but it's still quite deadly for the unvaxxord. But hey, if you are willing to die so that people like dumpy can pretend to be billionaires- go for it. Facts are facts, data are data.

I honestly hope that this is the actual thing that makes people stay home when they are sick, though. It was bad enough before when sick people came to work, and spread it around the facility- making productivity take a real dump. But given the degree that people really, really, really wanted to risk their lives so that someone else can make millions or billions of dollars- I doubt that will actually happen.

Since we don't have kids, I really can't have an honest opinion for how your kids should deal with it.
 
Just a point of clarification.

It isn't at all clear that Covid has "evolved into a less serious variant". Earned immunity makes it less severe; it is not intrinsically less severe (at least, it has not been proven to be so).


This is an important distinction.
 
MichVandal said:
I think at this point we should just go with it, and let the dumb die.
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The only reason not to do this is to protect the people who are medically unable to get vaccinated.

I absolutely agree the people who aren't vaccinating because of their stupidity should be reunited with the angry sky man of their choice as expeditiously as possible. I love their eternal souls that much to spare them the misery of this flawed world.
 
Kepler said:
The only reason not to do this is to protect the people who are medically unable to get vaccinated.

I absolutely agree the people who aren't vaccinating because of their stupidity should be reunited with the angry sky man of their choice as expeditiously as possible. I love their eternal souls that much to spare them the misery of this flawed world.
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There is that. And I'm not really sure how to deal with that- the dumb are just so willing to die.

How many people are really medically unable to get a vaccine? (I really don't know this question).

BTW, looking at the CDC data- for people who have gotten the second booster- there does not seem to be a trend that it's less effective. There was a period in the middle of May that *might* have meant that- but since then, the death rate for two boosts has dropped back off and is quite stable. If the booster effectiveness lowered over time, one would expect that the double boosted deaths would pick up. While we also want to get the new designer booster, at least it appears that we are still quite safe.
 
Swansong said:
Just a point of clarification.

It isn't at all clear that Covid has "evolved into a less serious variant". Earned immunity makes it less severe; it is not intrinsically less severe (at least, it has not been proven to be so).


This is an important distinction.
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Right but you also just can't handwave the fact that 75% plus are vaccinated or have caught it already. Not saying you're necessarily doing that, but for the vast vast majority of the population, it IS a less severe disease.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Right but you also just can't handwave the fact that 75% plus are vaccinated or have caught it already. Not saying you're necessarily doing that, but for the vast vast majority of the population, it IS a less severe disease.
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Absolutely, and that's why I, personally, am not particularly concerned anymore. Also, and this is the nittest of nits to pick, but I'd bet seroprevalence is up over 90-95% at this point.


My point is that the virus hasn't mutated into something less dangerous. We changed.
 
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