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Kepler said:
So why is BA.2 a variant of Omicron rather than a whole new variant? Does it have to do with the genetic structure and how different it is, like genus/species?
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Good question. No idea. Omicron is almost an entirely different animal. Seems to infect different areas of the body, spread indescribably fast, and not be that bad for most.

What I find interesting is that BA.1 and BA.2 were discovered within a week of each other, BA.2 actually before BA.1, and somehow BA.1 outcompeted it until now. Something has to have given BA.1 an edge until now. And if BA.2 is as infectious as described, it should have outcompeted. So the whole thing is kinda baffling to me. And more interestingly, BA.1.1 was dominant before BA.2.

So all of this makes me wonder if the latent period is longer for BA.2 than BA.1 (which was significantly shorter than even Delta and thus made it actually somewhat easier to spread initially but also made it more susceptible to rapid interventions). So that might be why BA.2 is outcompeting now. It might be more infectious but spread slower. I don't know. Just sh--itposting. I'm sure someone will figure it out.
 
Swansong said:
Some info:
https://www.who.int/news/item/22-02-...ublineage-ba.2
(Remember, the prevalent version in the US was BA.1.1, not BA.1)

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...u-s-infections
Also, no real evidence that BA.2 came before BA.1
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My mistake. It was first sequenced in a sample a week before BA.1 was reported by the WHO.

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More info:
On 26 November 2021, WHO designated it as a�? variant of concern�? and named it "Omicron" after the�? fifteenth letter in the Greek alphabet.[SUP][22][/SUP]�? Omicron was first detected on 22 November 2021 in laboratories in�? Botswana�? and�? South Africa�? based on samples collected on 11�¢??16 November.[SUP][392][/SUP][SUP][393][/SUP]�? The first known sample was collected in South Africa on 8 November.[SUP][173][/SUP][SUP][394][/SUP]�? The first known case, outside of South Africa, was a person arriving in�? Hong Kong�? from South Africa via�? Qatar�? on 11 November, and another person who arrived in�? Belgium�? from�? Egypt�? via�? Turkey�? on the same date.[SUP][395][/SUP][SUP][396][/SUP]�? As of 7 January 2022, the variant has been confirmed in 135 countries.[SUP][397][/SUP]�?
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Edit 2: Not fixing that shit. Ugh.
 
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One of my employees is out with Covid. I'm told we have 6 out of the plant either positive or expose. Corporate took away our mandatory masking and social distancing at the beginning of March. Now our covid numbers are going up.

I also wonder with the availability of at home rapid testing...are reported numbers low to actual numbers? How many people take an at home test, get a positive result, and don't report it to anyone?
 
wolverineTrumpet said:
One of my employees is out with Covid. I'm told we have 6 out of the plant either positive or expose. Corporate took away our mandatory masking and social distancing at the beginning of March. Now our covid numbers are going up.

I also wonder with the availability of at home rapid testing...are reported numbers low to actual numbers? How many people take an at home test, get a positive result, and don't report it to anyone?
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I bet that number is quite high. And the number of places to get PCR tested is dwindling as well. That's what worries me.
 
Scarlet said:
I bet that number is quite high. And the number of places to get PCR tested is dwindling as well. That's what worries me.
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Prior to Omicron conventional wisdom was that the true case rate was 5ish times the actual documented rate. With Omicron's insane infectiousness combined with home tests that aren't reported, general consensus was that the true case count was 10+ times the actual count, which is completely insane (the number, not the undercount factor). Considering we shattered case count records with Omicron, that's a scary thing.


I'll again say that when all is said and done, Omicron will end up being one of the top 5, if not top 3, most transmissible diseases ever recorded.
 
Scarlet said:
I bet that number is quite high. And the number of places to get PCR tested is dwindling as well. That's what worries me.
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On the flip side, we do know that sewage is constantly being monitored for covid DNA, and it's been really close to reality in terms of what is going on.

And the other part- if the actual reporting was that low, it's actually an indicator of how minor Omicron has been relative to previous versions. And that the only reason it was as deadly as it was is Swansongs point that Omicron could be one of the top most transmissible diseases of all time. Which is sorta, kinda, good news.
 
Unless something, or someone, takes that mechanism of high transmissibility and attaches it to high lethality.
 
MichVandal said:
The math problem of that is lethality reduces transmissibility by just messing with the numbers. See ebola.
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There's also human behavior. Giant amounts of dead bodies piling up everywhere, ala various bubonic plague outbreaks, will get people's attention a lot more that full hospitals that are out of sight and mind. Dead is dead all the same, but a CFR of 10% vs. 1% on something as contagious as even OG Wuhan-strain Covid is an enormous difference.
 
Swansong said:
There's also human behavior. Giant amounts of dead bodies piling up everywhere, ala various bubonic plague outbreaks, will get people's attention a lot more that full hospitals that are out of sight and mind. Dead is dead all the same, but a CFR of 10% vs. 1% on something as contagious as even OG Wuhan-strain Covid is an enormous difference.
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Honk ^^

Hospitals are always full you should know that.

Many hospitals were no more busy than they were prior to Covid. But the TV wouldn’t tell you that would it?


M Health Fairview is one of the largest healthcare providers in MN. They saw thousands of covid patients and received $165 million in covid aid in 2020. Despite this, their hospital admissions declined 11% and they added no new bed capacity in 2020.
 
MissThundercat said:
It could also be Jebbers or someone you have on ignore commenting.
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