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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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MichVandal said:
What I read in your post is that if you change your mind, you are a hypocrite.
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I am sorry if that was the impression that my posts gave you.
The Point:
A rational person can make a rational decision that getting an influenza vaccination is not of enough significant benefit to them that they choose not to receive one. Despite all the differences between the viruses and their vaccines (lethality,morbidity, efficacy, SE, etc.), the same can be said about COVID-19 (albeit to a much less extent).

The Hypocrisy:
I think that it's hypocritical to castigate/blame/preach at someone who made a similar choice not to get vaccinated for virus X when the castigator/blamer/preacher made the same choice with virus Y. YMMV

Please note that nothing I have said is concerning the spread of misinformation or making this a political issue. Those people, like DipShlt2020, deserve everything that can be thrown at them.

Swansong said:
The best reading of this I've found is to think of viral mutations as a car, filled with people. In this car, the infectiousness is the driver. Period. Anything else is a passenger. Now, passengers can affect the driver. Crazy high severity/lethality will negatively impact spread (a dead person will infect fewer others than a live person). But pure Darwinism says that all other factors come for the ride, have a bit of a say in the destination, but the infectiousness is, in the end, the driver. As you mention, the sole purpose of a virus is to make more of itself (hey... that kind of sounds like...)
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This is fantastic. I will be plagiarizing this in the future.

This is more words than I've posted in the past year. Back to lurking. Closing Remark:
GET VACCINATED!
Both would be better but some is better than none. Preventing just one viral pneumonia (of either type) frees up a bed that, despite what DipShlt2020 thinks, are currently in very short supply.
 
busterman62 said:
I am sorry if that was the impression that my posts gave you.
The Point:
A rational person can make a rational decision that getting an influenza vaccination is not of enough significant benefit to them that they choose not to receive one. Despite all the differences between the viruses and their vaccines (lethality,morbidity, efficacy, SE, etc.), the same can be said about COVID-19 (albeit to a much less extent).

The Hypocrisy:
I think that it's hypocritical to castigate/blame/preach at someone who made a similar choice not to get vaccinated for virus X when the castigator/blamer/preacher made the same choice with virus Y. YMMV

Please note that nothing I have said is concerning the spread of misinformation or making this a political issue. Those people, like DipShlt2020, deserve everything that can be thrown at them.



This is fantastic. I will be plagiarizing this in the future.

This is more words than I've posted in the past year. Back to lurking. Closing Remark:
GET VACCINATED!
Both would be better but some is better than none. Preventing just one viral pneumonia (of either type) frees up a bed that, despite what DipShlt2020 thinks, are currently in very short supply.
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Healthy people aren’t at risk, healthy people don’t take up hospital beds.

If you are fat/obese like 60% of Americans or have 4-6 comorbidities of Americans then yes you should probably consider the vaccine. And if you actually cared about yourself and others you would make an effort to improve your health.


On a secondary note why has all cause mortality not changed (for the better) this year compared last?
 
jerphisch said:
I know you got hit in the head pretty much non stop in utero, but try to think about what was different in 2021 vs 2020.
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60% of the population is vaccinated in some capacity, almost the entire senior population is vaccinated.

We should have seen a vast improvement in all cause mortality in 2021 versus 2020. Instead they are the same.
 
jerphisch said:
I know you got hit in the head pretty much non stop in utero, but try to think about what was different in 2021 vs 2020.
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Really? I think that might cause a bit too much pain. It also would assume the impossible- that there was an ability to believe anything was different from 2019
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I am triple jabbed, so I no longer wear a mask unless a particular business requires it and/or still posts "Please Wear a Mask" on the front door (only because I'm not an a55hole). As I see it, I have done my part and unless the next mutation substantially increases the odds of death, I'm not going to be a COVID worrywart. If you are eligible then get your shots or risk suffering the consequences of your actions, because I am no longer going to inconvenience myself or go out of my way to protect you.
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My wife and I are triple jabbed, too, but still wear our masks when in stores and such. We have a toddler at home, too young to be vaccinated. We have to protect her. Different situations create different actions.
 
Jeb2020 said:
60% of the population is vaccinated in some capacity, almost the entire senior population is vaccinated.

We should have seen a vast improvement in all cause mortality in 2021 versus 2020. Instead they are the same.
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I'll give you a hint, there are more differences than just the one. Keep going, and maybe don't post again until you figure it out.
 
St. Clown said:
My wife and I are triple jabbed, too, but still wear our masks when in stores and such. We have a toddler at home, too young to be vaccinated. We have to protect her. Different situations create different actions.
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Girlfriend and I do as well...no kid but parents have risks despite being jabbed.
 
Triple jabbed, but still wear a mask because I work in healthcare (AFC home), so does my roommate (patient transport- pushes wheelchairs and stretchers around a hospital).
 
jerphisch said:
I'll give you a hint, there are more differences than just the one. Keep going, and maybe don't post again until you figure it out.
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I don't see any possibility that he'll ever figure it out. The data has been pretty consistent that the unvaccinated (the minority) account for most of the deaths (somewhere between 7-10:1)- which is a big indicator of where it's coming from. Somehow data like that can't be used.

Even in New York, where it's 80/20ish vaccinated, it's still numerically 1/2 deaths. So 20% of the population is ~66% of the deaths.

Most of the resources and deaths are going to the unvaccinated minority of the public.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I am pretty much in the VAD camp, with a few reservations. I have worked 100% remotely since the start of all this, and I changed firms in part because I felt my new, much smaller firm would be back to on-site visits sooner than my former megafirm. I want to actually work with my clients in-person again, whenever they are ready to do so. I realize that some will probably never be ready and consider this change to their working relationship with consultants to be permanent, especially now that they haven't had to pay our travel expenses in almost 2 years. That's their choice, and for some projects it does work, but I feel a lot more gets accomplished in-person, even if it's just the first 1-2 weeks of kickoff and initial workshops to do planning and gather the requirements. I think eventually a majority of clients will see that and want us visiting again. I am burned out on Zoom, Teams, WebEx etc. and I haven't turned my camera on in months except for the rare occasion that I am obligated to. I am triple jabbed, so I no longer wear a mask unless a particular business requires it and/or still posts "Please Wear a Mask" on the front door (only because I'm not an a55hole). As I see it, I have done my part and unless the next mutation substantially increases the odds of death, I'm not going to be a COVID worrywart. If you are eligible then get your shots or risk suffering the consequences of your actions, because I am no longer going to inconvenience myself or go out of my way to protect you.
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I personally am probably closer to what you are saying - maybe not 100% in the VAD camp but getting closer - mostly because I'm at the point of having no more f**ks to give about the people choosing to not get the free, readily available vaccine. I still generally wear a mask when out (and 100% of the time if a city requires it or store requests it), I'm a bit selective about what i do (Examples: I've been to a couple of hockey games, but if the arena did not have the proof of vax or negative test requirement for entry I probably would not have gone. I stopped in at our local brewery last weekend, but when i arrived it was a bit too crowded for my taste / comfort, so I decided to pass. I'm choosing to not go see a band i really like since there is no safety protocols in place at the venue). I defintely do not want my kid's school to go remote and am not going to test my vaccinated / boosted / asymptomatic kids to protect the 35% - 40% of kids in their school choosing to not get vaccinated. And as you describe this could change for me if some future variant changes the risk situation.
 
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ericredaxe said:
I personally am probably closer to what you are saying - maybe not 100% in the VAD camp but getting closer - mostly because I'm at the point of having no more ****s to give about the people choosing to not get the free, readily available vaccine. I still generally wear a mask when out (and 100% of the time if a city requires it or store requests it), I'm a bit selective about what i do (Examples: I've been to a couple of hockey games, but if the arena did not have the proof of vax or negative test requirement for entry I probably would not have gone. I stopped in at our local brewery last weekend, but when i arrived it was a bit too crowded for my taste / comfort, so I decided to pass. I'm choosing to not go see a band i really like since there is no safety protocols in place at the venue). I defintely do not want my kid's school to go remote and am not going to test my vaccinated / boosted / asymptomatic kids to protect the 35% - 40% of kids in their school choosing to not get vaccinated. And as you describe this could change for me if some future variant changes the risk situation.
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At this point, I can't imagine asking people for more than this.

Omicron is so contagious that even strict lockdowns aren't really effective. Australia and Austria are two examples of this. Once it's "in", it's in. If your community has a low vaccination rate, your hospitals are going to get slaughtered. If you're in a high vaccination community, your hospitals are going to get very, very busy. The cake is baked.
 
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