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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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cF[Authentic said:
;n3628147]The biggest issue with relying mostly on Pharmacies is staffing. All flu shots (and vaccines) must be provided by a pharmacist. That takes them away from their normal duties of verifying prescriptions and consulting with patients. During "flu drives," most Walgreens and CVS stores are going to have a second pharmacist on staff during a shift. However, on most days there's only one pharmacist working at a time.

There's not a deep enough well for these companies to staff two pharmacists full time for those 8 weeks.
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Considering the already spread out locations to safely distribute a vaccine, that's a very solvable problem.

Regardless of where it will be distributed, there will be a staffing problem- hospitals need to focus on the sick, testers need to focus on the test, etc- no matter where it's done, more staff will be needed to get these out. So, realistically, that's not a problem unique to pharmacies.
 
Kepler said:
The dumbest people on Earth.
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The real dumb part is that they seem to think that the broad average of deaths apply to them- when most people are distancing. New York has about a 0.2% chance of death to the overall community, but when you go out and expose yourself, the odds jump to the over 1% chance of death just from being infected.

The act of going to a party like that increased the odds of death by an order of magnitude.

Then again, they would not really understand the words in that last sentence.
 
MichVandal said:
Considering the already spread out locations to safely distribute a vaccine, that's a very solvable problem.

Regardless of where it will be distributed, there will be a staffing problem- hospitals need to focus on the sick, testers need to focus on the test, etc- no matter where it's done, more staff will be needed to get these out. So, realistically, that's not a problem unique to pharmacies.
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I like the pharmacy solution. I think it also addresses some of the concerns I had with the rural areas, as many grocery stores in rural areas have pharmacies where the vaccinations could occur.

The staffing issue is a real one, but as you said, it is going to be an issue regardless of the distribution method. There would just need to be a coordinated effort to get the right people in the right spots to effectively get the vaccinations done.
 
Listening to the a doctor on CBS this morning, he made a couple points regarding the COVID-19 vaccinations (along with answer some other questions)...

1) It takes about 2 weeks for the avg. human body to generate enough antibodies to develop immunity after the first vaccination date (Pfizer), or the only vaccination date (all others). This is why there have been reports of people having been diagnosed with COVID-19 a few days after having been vaccinated.
2) The questions regarding the ability to spread the virus after vaccination is not yet definitively answered. The data isn't yet available, and thus why doctors are still suggesting that mask use continues.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I like the pharmacy solution. I think it also addresses some of the concerns I had with the rural areas, as many grocery stores in rural areas have pharmacies where the vaccinations could occur.

The staffing issue is a real one, but as you said, it is going to be an issue regardless of the distribution method. There would just need to be a coordinated effort to get the right people in the right spots to effectively get the vaccinations done.
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Thinking of the staffing issue while getting a cup of coffee, it seems to me that the defense production act could be used to help staff up for a short time to distribute the vaccine.

More to pile on the total lack of leadership- distribution was going to be a problem from day one, right? So there has been months to hire and train the extra staff to get this out.

To the dumpy worshipers, there's more to the vaccine than just making it. Real leadership would have seen that the WHOLE process is required, not just a vial of liquid. Again, a college hockey board came up with a pretty comprehensive solution to the other half in just over a day. You would think that a bunch of public policy officials could do that months ago. Instead, the bragging point is the vials of solution were made, and that's it. (ironically, contradicting the narrative that this is a hoax, or not that bad....)
 
St. Clown said:
Listening to the a doctor on CBS this morning, he made a couple points regarding the COVID-19 vaccinations (along with answer some other questions)...

1) It takes about 2 weeks for the avg. human body to generate enough antibodies to develop immunity after the first vaccination date (Pfizer), or the only vaccination date (all others). This is why there have been reports of people having been diagnosed with COVID-19 a few days after having been vaccinated.
2) The questions regarding the ability to spread the virus after vaccination is not yet definitively answered. The data isn't yet available, and thus why doctors are still suggesting that mask use continues.
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#2 is why it doesn’t seem prudent to just stick it in anyone’s arm when it may not even help control the virus, especially with such few doses available right now.
 
psych said:
#2 is why it doesn’t seem prudent to just stick it in anyone’s arm when it may not even help control the virus, especially with such few doses available right now.
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twitter thread this morning from Bob Wachter, chair of the department of internal medicine at UCSF.

--U.S. is now considering idea of a single vaccination shot, delaying shot #2 until months later. Last wk, I thought that was a bad idea – the trials that found 95% efficacy were 2 shots; why add extra complexity & a new curveball. But facts on the ground demand a rethink. (1/7)

--The two main changes are the slower-than-expected vaccine rollout and the new variant virus being found in the U.S. Both demand that we turbocharge the process of getting a large chunk of the population at least partly protected. (2/7)

--Here's my back-of-the-envelope math: - Single shot seems to be about 80% protective after a month - 2nd shot adds some efficacy (up to 95% protective), and maybe (tho not yet proven) some durability. - New variant is here, and undoubtedly far more widespread than we know. (3/7)

-- Variant is ~55% more infectious than old one. Even though it's not more deadly, this means that if we engage in same behaviors, many more will get Covid & thus far more will die. UK shows that once here, it spreads fast. - We seem incapable of changing behavior very much. (4/7)

-- As has been widely reported, the roll-out is going far slower than we hoped. - According to most vaccine experts, delaying shot #2 by a few months is unlikely to materially diminish the ultimate effectiveness of two shots (critical point; we should be testing to be sure). (5/7)

--Taken together, if we have vaccine doses to distribute in Jan-Apr, it seems increasingly evident that a strategy of getting as many people (particularly high-risk) their first shot ASAP will save far more lives than sticking with the two shot plan. (6/7)

--Far better to have 100M people who are 80% protected than 50M people who are 95% protected, particularly as we are facing a foe that is getting smarter and nastier. Or at least it seems that way to me. You? (7/7)
 
Slavitt (who is really knowledgeable and not at all a click baiter like some here said) also said same thing- get more people with dose one before worrying about getting people the second dose
 
1. That would require another EUA, right? Because the vaccines were only approved as two-shot course?
2. You really think we’re going to be able to INCREASE the rate of vaccination? We’re struggling to use what we have now.
3. Math is easy. Human behavior is not. People will mistakenly assume they can go out willynilly after getting the shot and without a mask. They’ll demand things fully open up. Now we’ve got a system where things are fully open, we’ve only got partial immunity, and a quarter or more of the population refusing it altogether. People who are smarter than the morons and have stayed home but don’t understand vaccines enough will start to go out and mingle. An even worse disaster than the hodge podge approach we have now.

the math is attractive. But it would seem to be driven by an actuary or engineer instead of epidemiologists, public health experts, and sociologists.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Biden finished closer in Texas (5.6%) than he did in Ohio (8%). That is a sad number in Ohio though. Union members of my former employer working in that industry have both been severely sickened and have died from COVID-19.
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White union members did this to themselves. They voted for Republicans, whose policies fed the Plutes and destroyed the unions, because they were racial and religious bigots.

Elections have consequences.

If your friends are liberal or POC union members, I have sympathy. If they are (literal or spiritual) Reagan Democrats, welp...
 
Kepler said:
Haitians or Christians?
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While anecdotal, most of the long-term care workers I ran across in Ohio were white or Black Americans. I represented one facility near Youngstown and as best as I recall, all of the employees were either white or Black Americans. In union-wide functions I ran across a few of Latin descent but again, mostly black from the urban centers and white from the more rural locations. But the white ones were extremely trump supportive and Blacks have historically been more anti-vaccine than whites. While sad, the 60% number does not surprise me much.
 
Kepler said:
White union members did this to themselves. They voted for Republicans, whose policies fed the Plutes and destroyed the unions, because they were racial and religious bigots.

Elections have consequences.

If your friends are liberal or POC union members, I have sympathy. If they are (literal or spiritual) Reagan Democrats, welp...
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I did not personally know any of the long-term care workers who were sickened or died, so I don't know the specifics of any of their political allegiances. I do know the political allegiances of some of the 8 (at least, as of mid-December) Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Corrections employees who have died and it was a mixed bag. And since I am a terrible human being, I have a whole lot more sympathy for the ones who took the virus seriously and knew the federal response was insufficient (to say the least) and who were not trump supporters.
 
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