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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Jeb...no, I don't think testing can or should go on indefinitely, but it should go on as long as the actual experts in virology, infectious diseases, and epidemiology say it should. Probably once we have successful vaccines that allow us to get to herd immunity without unnecessarily causing an extra 100,000 deaths.

As for your article in the "Spectator" is concerned, you do realize that the authors aren't saying we shouldn't do mass testing. They're saying that we have to be careful in how we analyze the results based on the nuanced science involved in how those tests determine positivity or not. Actually doing mass testing of both symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals is needed to truly determine the community spread of the virus. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
 
net presence said:
As for your article in the "Spectator" is concerned, you do realize that the authors aren't saying we shouldn't do mass testing. They're saying that we have to be careful in how we analyze the results based on the nuanced science involved in how those tests determine positivity or not. Actually doing mass testing of both symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals is needed to truly determine the community spread of the virus. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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Please point to where you think in the article the authors are making a case for mass testing of asymptomatic people.

And the point of the article is how mass testing of a population using a PCR test can more harm than good. And they demonstrated that very well. Especially asymptomatic people with no clinical diagnosis.

The reality is the vast majority of these asymptomatic people do not have an active infection. We now have a Casedemic the pandemic is long gone.

With Covid-19, however, clinical diagnosis is seemingly a secondary consideration in the face of mass testing. All you require is a positive PCR test; no symptoms, no signs, no other diagnostic proof. But our limited understanding of mass testing and PCR suggests this might not suffice.

PCR detection of viruses is helpful so long as its limitations are understood; while it detects RNA in minute quantities, caution needs to be applied to the results as it often does not detect the infectious virus. This detection problem is ubiquitous for RNA viruses detection. SARS-CoV, MERS, Influenza Ebola and Zika viral RNA can also be detected long after the disappearance of the infectious virus.

Why does this matter? Because when it comes to Covid-19, insufficient attention has been paid to how PCR results actually relate to disease. The harms of false-positive results can be substantial: operations can be delayed or cancelled; patients are kept in hospital, just in case; further testing is required; in some cases, it drives local lockdowns. The results of our recent systematic review on viral infectiousness indicate that cycle thresholds are essential to understand who is infectious, and consequently, the extent of any outbreak and for controlling transmission.

When it comes to dealing with this ongoing pandemic, it is clear that Covid-19 – and our limited understanding of it – is testing our decision-making skills to the limit when it comes to diagnosing infections. And without a better understanding of what test results really show us, it seems that while coronavirus is at a low prevalence in our communities, mass testing might cause more harm than good if the nuances of test threshold are not understood.
 
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According to Florida's official page, testing is down from a peak of ~520k/week at it's peak to ~420k. And the positive rate is just barely below 10%.

Maybe it's getting better, but seeing the death chart suggests otherwise. Very much otherwise. Certainly don't trust them enough to travel there.
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Not at 10% it’s not.
 
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Why shouldn't testing go on for the indefinite future?? Until we have a firm grasp on the solution, then the testing must continue.

Even after vaccines are developed, testing MUST go on so that the actual effectiveness of the vaccines can be judged.

The idea that we should scale down or end testing is just giving up and letting the virus win- which will certainly lead to millions of deaths in this country. Even right now, COVID has the potential to be the #2 cause of death in the US, overall. Right NOW, not even accounting for the fact that it's barely 6 months into the tracking of the data, COVID is #4 cause of death in the US. And it will be #3, easily, by the end of the month. If one includes the non-normal pneumonia, it's easily the #3 cause of death in the US. And that's the official count- not the ones that were not tested.

How is it that THAT fact is being so overlooked???? I don't get it.

And that incredibly high amount is WITH WORK. The handful of months that we cut as much contact off as possible, sports being canceled, restaurants being closed (and partially reopened). I can't imagine how bad it would have been if nothing was done- which is exactly what is being demanded of us.

Apparently, a large chunk of Americans are expected to die for the economy- which benefits a very, very small group of people the most.
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You are one dense dude.
 
The U.S. is 8th in the world for total cases / 1M putting them into the company of such illustrious world leading countries as Qatar, Bahrain, Chile, Panama, Kuwait, Oman, Peru and Brazil. The type of countries the rest of the world looks to for leadership and setting examples of taking care of its people. True human rights pioneers.

The 7-day moving average for deaths for the U.S. went up after yesterday and will go up further due to the lag in counting. This means the U.S. is on pace to add 148k more deaths by EOY if it doesn't alter the trajectory.

FL, CA, TX, GA, AZ, NC, LA and TN for instance all are seeing higher 7-day averages than they were 30, 60 as many as 90 days ago. Thank goodness most of my family back home lives in a state that's been managed infinitely more reasonably.
 
Most of us realized it, but Gallup polling from last month confirmed a clear political divide over mask wearing. Most striking is that 94% of self-identified Democrats say they always or very often use masks outside their homes while only 46% of republicans make the same claim. Sadly, 36% say they rarely or never wear a mask outside the home. Only 2% of Democrats in the Gallup poll claim that kind of stupidity.

Everything in this country is political now and what's more dangerous, one side of the political spectrum has decided to eschew science, evidence, and facts when making their political calculations since the other side appears to be relying precisely on science, evidence and facts.

I guarantee if trump had come out in mid-March and said wearing masks might be in our national interest and all Americans should consider it, then on April 1st said the facts clearly show it will help and all Americans should wear a mask when away from home, you would still see those same 94% of Democrats wearing a mask most of the time and you almost certainly seee 3/4 or more of republicans saying the same thing. Had that one additional thing happened, thousands more would be alive today, and the PAC-12 and the B1G would probably still be planning on playing football because we would have gotten a handle on this virus by now.
 
And if some big time Democratic leader had come out and said masks are useless and won't protect you, those same 98% of Democrats would still be wearing masks.

You can't fix stupid. Unfortunately, stupid has a large megaphone and won't stop yelling.
 
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And if some big time Democratic leader had come out and said masks are useless and won't protect you, those same 98% of Democrats would still be wearing masks.

You can't fix stupid. Unfortunately, stupid has a large megaphone and won't stop yelling.
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Hawaii has a very strict mask mandate, is an island and is dominated by the Democratic Party?

Why are they seeing a spike in “cases”?

oh yeah because a virus doesn’t care if you standstill (quarantine) and put cloth over your face, even if being told to like a child.
 
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And if some big time Democratic leader had come out and said masks are useless and won't protect you, those same 98% of Democrats would still be wearing masks.

You can't fix stupid. Unfortunately, stupid has a large megaphone and won't stop yelling.
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And because a sizable portion of this country is stupid, instead of being able to have gotten a handle on this virus sometime over the summer, we are actually never going to really get a handle on it. Too many people are thumbing their noses even at mask mandates. And I am willing to bet they are precisely the people most likely to behave in ways that increase their risks, like congregating in crowded bars or spending a week thumbing their noses at scared wimps like us while they live it up in Sturgis. Sort of like seat belts. The people most likely to not put them on (teenagers and drunk drivers) are the ones most likely to have car accidents.

Outside of work, grocery shopping and about 3 trips to Target in the last 5 months, I haven't gone anywhere where people are congregating. And always when I do go to a store and almost always to a meeting inside at work, I put on a mask. But I was in two of my shops yesterday and today, and I only saw one person wearing face covering other than me. And one of the two states I was in mandates it.
 
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Outside of work, grocery shopping and about 3 trips to Target in the last 5 months, I haven't gone anywhere where people are congregating. And always when I do go to a store and almost always to a meeting inside at work, I put on a mask. But I was in two of my shops yesterday and today, and I only saw one person wearing face covering other than me. And one of the two states I was in mandates it.
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Jebby would call you a puzzy.

Hovey would write three paragraphs about how he would never call someone a word like that for choosing to wear a mask.

But he'd still think you were.
 
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I got it. To ease the daily pain and suffering that the COVID deniers think is no big deal, let’s just start rounding up 1000 people each day, and execute them. Same fatality numbers result, just minus the hospital costs and suffering.
I mean, according to trumpettes, people are going to die anyways.
Don’t like this tongue-in-cheek idea? Well, I’m joking, but the “gain immunity “ morons aren’t and consider grandparents expendable.
 
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBackSaver/status/1294072905756749826

Still doubt that masks are solely for 1)maintaining fear 2)virtue signaling? Why aren't mask mandaters insisting they be disposed of by red bagging? THIS WOULD BE ESSENTIAL and standard. Answer: Masks are to maintain fear and virtue signal.

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It is really fascinating (in a bad way) how different rules and how things are being handled.
mr les school just pulled the plug and went virtual unless you need to be in person. Every effort to minimize on campus presence. Everyone who is on campus will have testing weekly. All sorts of measures in place to decrease people on campus
The U I work at is full court press. Work 5 days a week on campus unless you get a dispensation (which it is clear they do not want to give and do not encourage you asking for). No testing. Classes are on campus. No testing being instituted just syptom checks. If you have exposure quarantine if you have symptoms. (nothing if no symptoms?!) They just emailed us they will be opening the common staff rooms with kitchenettes/microwaves, fridges and those will be cleaned weekly but they will have wipes available. I am sure this will go swimmingly. Thank God I am virtual
 
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It is really fascinating (in a bad way) how different rules and how things are being handled.
mr les school just pulled the plug and went virtual unless you need to be in person. Every effort to minimize on campus presence. Everyone who is on campus will have testing weekly. All sorts of measures in place to decrease people on campus
The U I work at is full court press. Work 5 days a week on campus unless you get a dispensation (which it is clear they do not want to give and do not encourage you asking for). No testing. Classes are on campus. No testing being instituted just syptom checks. If you have exposure quarantine if you have symptoms. (nothing if no symptoms?!) They just emailed us they will be opening the common staff rooms with kitchenettes/microwaves, fridges and those will be cleaned weekly but they will have wipes available. I am sure this will go swimmingly. Thank God I am virtual
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Sounds like the end of the world is near. By your description of how out of control things are I am sure the hospitals are overflowing and people are being turned away.

#Casedemic #NotOneSingle”Case”
 
alfablue said:
Interesting that a parent just shrugged. As if nothing can be done, and we are all going to be exposed. Uh, no. Just those of you who pretend that this isn't a big deal. This will soon be the #3 cause of death in the US. When other countries have had almost none.
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Yeah the kid tested for SARS-Cov-2 and most likely didn’t even have an active Covid19 infection. Better shut down the town.

By your post I take it the hospitals in that town are over run? Have to be.

What is the point of sharing some random story of a kid testing asymptomatic for a virus and not even a confirmation of an active infection?

That certainly doesn’t paint the virus in a dangerous way. You would only continually share stories like this to create an environment of hysteria, fear, and panic.
 
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