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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Oh......Chucky, Chucky, Chucky....although not a all surprising, your insistence on people addressing your alter-ego's mask "data" is hilarious. Especially when I've challenged you and him to answer or address other questions multiple times yet, funny, neither of you have responded yet. I'll make you a freaking deal, I'll address his "data" right now and make him (and you) look stupid (again...) but, then you have to answer the question I posed to both of you 3 days ago, along with address both of your attempts to use a Q'Anon conspiracy freak's lack of brain power in misinterpreting the CDC's info on Covid and co-morbidities to infer there's only been 6,000 actual Covid deaths out of 190,000.... Newsflash, all of the 184,000 that had co-morbidities but were also listed as Covid deaths, without contracting Covid the VAST, VAST, MAJORITY WOULD STILL BE ALIVE YOU BRAIN-DEAD TURDS....Anyways, here's the question I challenge both of you morons to answer;

You do realize that literally 98% plus of all of the scientific and medical experts with legitimately respected knowledge in relation to this virus are saying this thing is a very big deal. They're all also saying that we need to be testing in far greater daily numbers than we currently are, that there should be a national mask mandate, that another 6 week lockdown is our best bet at actually getting the virus under control, that we shouldn't be opening schools up full bore, among a number of other things.

So please explain to me why it is YOU think they are taking these more cautious positions? Do you REALLY THINK that 98% plus of the world's legitimate experts in regards to this virus are just part of the DEEP STATE and that they're willing to completely screw up the world's economies just to make sure Trump doesn't get re-elected?!? If not, please explain why all of these extremely learned people -- all of them with FAR, FAR more knowledge than you -- are taking the positions that they are?

Oh and Chuck, one other thing. Back on page 126 you tried making a point about Sturgis and the fact that there has "only" been one death attributed to having attended the rally. And, at the end you of course add "proof?" in regards to whether he actually contracted it from attending Sturgis. Couple things...One, if a reputable and respected government agency (Minnesota Department of Health) releases info that the person who died contracted it from Sturgis, the burden to "prove" they're wrong is on you. Not on us to prove they're right. We still have faith in our governmental institutions. Next, my guess is they figured out he caught it at Sturgis by doing this thing called contact tracing. Also, it's only been two weeks since Sturgis. And, since deaths usually lag infections by 4-6 weeks, we're no where close to a point where anyone with any knowledge of how Covid works can make any kind of definitive statement about how many deaths might be connected to Sturgis when all is said and done.

The answer to 1820's and your stupidity about the supposed lack of success of various mask mandates is pretty **** simple. For any mask mandate to truly be effective, at least 80-90 percent of all people need to actually wear it when they're supposed to. Unfortunately, 40 plus percent of our country have as little brains and faith in science as you two morons. So, whether it's California or Minnesota, there simply aren't enough people wearing them consistently. Although, case counts in California are now starting to fall. Which also likely indicates that it's taking a few more weeks than we though for consistent mask wearing to have an effect. As for Minnesota, I live here and, I can promise you that in almost all of the more rural areas, less than half of the population is wearing them. So, as usual, the answers to your supposed "gotcha" questions are pretty simple for those of us who can read and use basic logic.

One last thing. You two keep emphasizing the "lack" of deaths and hospitalizations, especially in relation to younger individuals, as a sign this isn't any big deal. For the thousandth time, it's not just about deaths or hospitalizations. A number of other post-infection maladies, many that can cause long-term/permanent disabilities -- in the case of myocarditis even death -- are occurring in both mildly symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals. If as many as 20-40% of all those infected are coming down with one or more of these maladies -- that's between 1.2 million and 2.5 million people up to this point -- what's your response to that side of the virus. Especially considering all of the millions and millions of dollars of preventable, long-term health care costs that we'll have to deal with? Don't you think that's a pretty significant deal? Anyway, not sure why I spent all this time writing this since neither you or 1820 will probably respond.

I like all your name calling, makes you sound very smart. And you really hammer in your intelligence level when you transition into a long winded totally made up rant with zero data. I like the 98% percent claim that you are on now, are you getting your indoctrination talking points mixed up?

Man you are one obedient little boot licker. They trained you well.

You can stay inside, wear a mask and bathe in hand sanitizer you have nothing to worry about, bullet proof. You are going to have to get over your fetish of people wanting to live their lives.
 
Mookie was the random selection getting off the plane yesterday so go his 3rd test over the past 3 weeks.
passed again (ahhamdulah).

mookie is doing his best to drop the positive percentages :)

(still subjected to in home 2 week quarantine and tracking on phone)
I’m guessing that your US Passport is a lottery ticket to a “random” selection.
 
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Oh I am quite capable of reading...but you see we have this thing called "Ignore". Chuck and Jeb are on mine. As such I cant read their tripe. Sadly Ignore broke before I could add you. In case you forget remember it sounds just like "Ignoramus" which is what everyone thinks you are.

I will say though...it is cute when you try to insult me. Cute in the way it is cute when my friends 4 year old daughter tells me she can beat me up and then gives me a high five.
 
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Anyway, not sure why I spent all this time writing this since neither you or 1820 will probably respond.

I can't speak for others, but I'll give you credit, you nailed that last bit big-time.

All the rest was your usual monotonous, "Bubble"-licious, stupor-inducing BS ...
 
Chuck - people ignore ObviousTroll because he is just that. He's not a normal poster arguing something he believes in good faith. He's never posted anything on this forum outside this thread. He appeared in June of 2020, with the sole purpose of spreading misinformation or confusing accurate information. Is he a bot? Is he a person? Who knows. If we had a functioning admin here he'd have been banned already.

The frustrating part is that his tactics work on people like you - people pre-disposed not to believe in scientific consensus (and please note that there's a difference between mindlessly accepting the will of the mob and understanding that experts are right more often than they're not, and we are fully able to look at the very data they're looking at and validate).

What is propaganda? A truth, a truth, a truth and a lie. Don't fall for his. Don't look to politicians for 24 hour cable news for medical information. Listen to the doctors. And they're telling us - which our eyes should be able to easily confirm - that COVID is the worst disease to hit mankind in a century. It's not a work. It's not some nonsense ginned up to defeat Trump.
 
Chuck - people ignore ObviousTroll because he is just that. He's not a normal poster arguing something he believes in good faith. He's never posted anything on this forum outside this thread. He appeared in June of 2020, with the sole purpose of spreading misinformation or confusing accurate information. Is he a bot? Is he a person? Who knows. If we had a functioning admin here he'd have been banned already.

The frustrating part is that his tactics work on people like you - people pre-disposed not to believe in scientific consensus (and please note that there's a difference between mindlessly accepting the will of the mob and understanding that experts are right more often than they're not, and we are fully able to look at the very data they're looking at and validate).

What is propaganda? A truth, a truth, a truth and a lie. Don't fall for his. Don't look to politicians for 24 hour cable news for medical information. Listen to the doctors. And they're telling us - which our eyes should be able to easily confirm - that COVID is the worst disease to hit mankind in a century. It's not a work. It's not some nonsense ginned up to defeat Trump.

Politcal? Haven't made one political post.

What are your thoughts on the sensitivity of the PCR test? Or do we brush everything under the rug that we don't have a good answer for?
 
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...dsu-story.html

Oh Florida. Releasing case numbers tied to schools is absolutely not a violation of either HIPAA or Florida law. They just don't want this information public because it makes them look bad and makes DeSantis - who's running neck and neck with Kemp for the "Dumbest Governor in the Country" title - look like an even bigger dope than he is.

In fact, most states are requiring this information be released for contact tracing purposes. It is asinine to me that they're doing this.
 
I hate to do this, but PCR tests are incredibly accurate in general. We've been performing them for a very long time, and the naso-pharyngeal swab that's used is exactly the same as the one used in any number of other URI tests. The issue, typically, is whether the sample was collected properly, and the overwhelming majority of false responses are false negatives caused by the clinician not getting a proper swab.

Abbott Labs had a quick test early on that Trump was crowing about that turned out to be incredibly inaccurate but even they've fixed most of their problems.



And now that I've sprung the too-clever-by-half trap, let's see what comes of it...
 
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...dsu-story.html

Oh Florida. Releasing case numbers tied to schools is absolutely not a violation of either HIPAA or Florida law. They just don't want this information public because it makes them look bad and makes DeSantis - who's running neck and neck with Kemp for the "Dumbest Governor in the Country" title - look like an even bigger dope than he is.

In fact, most states are requiring this information be released for contact tracing purposes. It is asinine to me that they're doing this.

Hi expert, what good does it do to send contract tracers on a wild goose chase when the PCR test scooping up people (by very large amounts) who aren't sick, don't have an active infection and are not contagious?

Sounds like more of this. Imagine contact tracing these folks, could you paint a more wasteful picture of time, resources and context?
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Also Expert, why are hospitalizations going down? But cases are going up?
 
I hate to do this, but PCR tests are incredibly accurate in general. We've been performing them for a very long time, and the naso-pharyngeal swab that's used is exactly the same as the one used in any number of other URI tests. The issue, typically, is whether the sample was collected properly, and the overwhelming majority of false responses are false negatives caused by the clinician not getting a proper swab.

Abbott Labs had a quick test early on that Trump was crowing about that turned out to be incredibly inaccurate but even they've fixed most of their problems.



And now that I've sprung the too-clever-by-half trap, let's see what comes of it...


Thoughts?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/h...s-testing.html

So you are telling me that the test isn't to sensitive? Are you aware of what Cycle Count, CT countries in Europe are using? I do but you won't like my answer, it will of course be misinformation or bot material.

One solution would be to adjust the cycle threshold used now to decide that a patient is infected. Most tests set the limit at 40, a few at 37. This means that you are positive for the coronavirus if the test process required up to 40 cycles, or 37, to detect the virus.

Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said.

Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.

A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Dr. Mina said he would set the figure at 30, or even less. Those changes would mean the amount of genetic material in a patient’s sample would have to be 100-fold to 1,000-fold that of the current standard for the test to return a positive result — at least, one worth acting on.


Can you share your expertise, what would happen if one Country was using a CT of 30 while another was using a CT of 40. Sorry if this is a question you don't like and is Ban worthy to you.

Speaking of misinformation,
COVID is the worst disease to hit mankind in a century. This is not true why are you lying?
 
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Like I said. There's the disingenuously and sloppily laid "trap".

Exactly the response I anticipated. A perfectly reasonable topic to discuss. But it is not comfortable given your position so try to discredit and call it a day.

Your sensitivity to discussion is an issue and keeps you from being a legitimate source of information and advice.
 
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Hawaii has had very strict rules in place more so than most States and they are an island.

Viruses burnout or seasonally subside, just like they always have. Your mask does nothing.


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It's as if cause and effect are confused, misunderstood, or just flat out misrepresented.

I'm not going to engage with a liar.
 
It's as if cause and effect are confused, misunderstood, or just flat out misrepresented.

I'm not going to engage with a liar.

Why do places with very strict rules and parameters in place have almost identical curves to places with lax rules or almost none at all?
 
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