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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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Swansong said:
It's under 3, actually, on the rolling 7-day average. Which is great! At this point, the key indicators are positivity rate and hospitalizations, and both are plummeting along with case counts.



Not that I question or judge your personal risk decisions (far be it from me, obviously), but between vaccines substantially reducing severity and the newer treatments like paxlovid and the newer mAb therapies, I feel like those of us vaxxed/boosted have relatively low risk outside the caveats I mentioned.
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What's really nuts is that deaths remain high (>2000/day). Still higher than the delta peak last fall.

Saw some data where the US is still the leader in deaths/million- by a huge margin. And even red states know why- the latest data from Texas has unvaccinated 45x more likely to die than vaccinated. And with a booster, it's 105x.

The only logical reason COVID is a significant source of death in the US is thanks the politicization of it that started early and then doubled down at every single corner.
 
MichVandal said:
What's really nuts is that deaths remain high (>2000/day). Still higher than the delta peak last fall.

Saw some data where the US is still the leader in deaths/million- by a huge margin. And even red states know why- the latest data from Texas has unvaccinated 45x more likely to die than vaccinated. And with a booster, it's 105x.

The only logical reason COVID is a significant source of death in the US is thanks the politicization of it that started early and then doubled down at every single corner.
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Deaths are high because it is a very lagging indicator. Many states have seen the numbers start to turn over, but since they are often reported up to a month after the occurance (let alone case reporting or hospitalization start date), these will be high for several weeks after cases drop.


I challenge the idea that we are the worst in deaths/million, but only because countries like India have terrible record keeping and countries like China and Russian simply lie relentlessly. Sure, we're terrible and it's inexcusable (I agree with you entirely on all that). I'm certainly not defending us. But there's no way China or India have substantially lower death rates than we do.
 
Swansong said:
I challenge the idea that we are the worst in deaths/million, but only because countries like India have terrible record keeping and countries like China and Russian simply lie relentlessly. Sure, we're terrible and it's inexcusable (I agree with you entirely on all that). I'm certainly not defending us. But there's no way China or India have substantially lower death rates than we do.
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Agree with this. I can't imagine how bad China and India are. India is a logistics basketcase and have no idea what's really going on. China just flat out lies, like the red states.

When all is said and done the real US death count will likely be double, with Republican governors having recategorized enormous numbers. India might be triple given their ineptitude. And China god only knows -- they can lose 20 million people and not even notice.
 
Swansong said:
Deaths are high because it is a very lagging indicator. Many states have seen the numbers start to turn over, but since they are often reported up to a month after the occurance (let alone case reporting or hospitalization start date), these will be high for several weeks after cases drop.


I challenge the idea that we are the worst in deaths/million, but only because countries like India have terrible record keeping and countries like China and Russian simply lie relentlessly. Sure, we're terrible and it's inexcusable (I agree with you entirely on all that). I'm certainly not defending us. But there's no way China or India have substantially lower death rates than we do.
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The data didn't include Russia, China, or India. This was largely "the West".

We've been talking about the reduction of cases for a few weeks now, cases peaked about a month ago. And deaths are decreasing.

But this is also in the face of the fact that Omicron is less deadly than Delta was, so add 1) more transmissibility and 2) fighting ALL mitigation plans- there will be more Omicron deaths than Delta. Again, the data shows that for the vaccinated + boosted- the risk is pretty reasonable.

The high death rate still shows the risk of trying to get natural immunity vs. just getting a vaccine. Which is why blanket vaccine mandates are in place.
 
Excess deaths are about the only way to get info from some of those areas. Provided you trust the excess death number to begin with. Russian excess deaths were around 930k near the end of December.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Excess deaths are about the only way to get info from some of those areas. Provides you trust the excess death number to begin with. Russian excess deaths were around 930k near the end of December.
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Seems right. At least here the worst the GOP can do is move columns around. The Russians can just flat out hide deaths if they want. Even DeSantis can't go that far. Yet.
 
Swansong said:
It's under 3, actually, on the rolling 7-day average. Which is great! At this point, the key indicators are positivity rate and hospitalizations, and both are plummeting along with case counts.



Not that I question or judge your personal risk decisions (far be it from me, obviously), but between vaccines substantially reducing severity and the newer treatments like paxlovid and the newer mAb therapies, I feel like those of us vaxxed/boosted have relatively low risk outside the caveats I mentioned.
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I don't feel you're judging me at all. In fact, I really do appreciate the comments from you and all the others. And I know I may be overdoing it. I do need to start living my life and realize that being vaccinated/boosted is a positive thing. And I will, slowly.

St. Clown - how are you feeling?
 
Scarlet said:
I don't feel you're judging me at all. In fact, I really do appreciate the comments from you and all the others. And I know I may be overdoing it. I do need to start living my life and realize that being vaccinated/boosted is a positive thing. And I will, slowly.

St. Clown - how are you feeling?
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You need to do what makes you feel comfortable...on a time table that works for you.
 
Scarlet said:
I don't feel you're judging me at all. In fact, I really do appreciate the comments from you and all the others. And I know I may be overdoing it. I do need to start living my life and realize that being vaccinated/boosted is a positive thing. And I will, slowly.

St. Clown - how are you feeling?
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At this point, I’m feeling mostly okay, thanks for asking. I just have a cough that keeps coming and going now, though it’s more pronounced when I’m thirsty. My wife is pretty much at the same place as me, but she feels more tired than I do.

This past weekend I had a day of sweating followed by a night and day of chills, and then just general soreness. The day after that it felt like an anvil was placed over my chest, and I just didn’t want to do anything exhaustive as a result. And the entire time my head was in a fug. For most of the week my wife was a day or so behind me in symptoms, though she also lost her ability to smell and taste things for a couple days. That’s all returned since then, so it was more of an inconvenience and what-if concern. We think our daughter’s taste has been affected because her eating habits have changed, claiming certain foods as “spicy” that she used to like. (She calls things spicy when she either simply doesn’t like them or they truly are spicy.)
 
Scarlet said:
Yet there were still over 2300 cases yesterday. They did say on the news this morning the positivity rate is under 5% I want to see it under 2% before I'll feel comfortable.
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2 years in to this and are you even able to explain what a “case” is?

Honestly you would probably be much better off if you turned off the news.
 
Scarlet said:
I don't feel you're judging me at all. In fact, I really do appreciate the comments from you and all the others. And I know I may be overdoing it. I do need to start living my life and realize that being vaccinated/boosted is a positive thing. And I will, slowly.
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"Come back" at your own pace and don't let anyone push you. I had a small party this weekend (I know, I know) for my birthday. Everyone but 3 people were vaccinated and one of those three is 2, so she cannot be yet. We invited a couple of people who've been very careful and were honest that there will be a few unvaccinated. They chose to come anyway and had a great time. I asked what made them come, and their answer was that they feel that, here in MA, numbers are good enough that they can take this risk and that they need to begin re-emerging. I was delighed for them.


Now, watch us all get covid from it.




Anyway, I'm glad to hear you're feeling better Clown!
 
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