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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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SJHovey said:
I know that you love to beat this drum, but have you ever considered this? By basically putting the entirety of the blame on conservatives, you are giving a pass to every non-conservative who is not wearing a mask, who is going out to bars to try to get laid, etc... If you don't think those people are out there, then I can't help you. There is simply no possible way to believe that all of those young people, all of the people of color, all of the New Yorkers and Californians, etc..., who end up at pool parties or in bars or wherever are "conservatives." If they are, Biden is in more trouble than you know.
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Those people are actually worse than conservatives. They're the sort of selfish, apolitical hedonists who whine about both sides being bad and nothing ever changing, so I'm alright Jack, keep your hands off of my stack and party on!
 
Jeb2020 said:
You might want to go right to CDC material and learn how case counting and death reporting is done. There is more info than what I posted. Please feel free to let me know what is inaccurate.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...ols-reopening/

Why Did the CDC Decide to Create Unique Reporting Rules for COVID-19 When Successful Reporting Rules Already Existed?


A double standard exists for how COVID-19 data is collected and reported versus all other infectious diseases and causes of death. Let’s examine three essential data categories; Fatalities, Cases & Hospitalizations for all infectious diseases because there are significant flaws in what constitutes a COVID-19 case, hospitalization and fatality.

On March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], the CDC decided to ignore universal data collection and reporting guidelines for fatalities in favor of adopting new guidelines unique to COVID-19. The guidelines the CDC decided against using have been used successfully since 2003.

After all, based upon the July 11[SUP]th[/SUP]data from the CDC’s Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age & State webpage, if COVID-19 is an epidemic (122,374 Fatalities), then shouldn’t pneumonia (131,372 Fatalities) also be an epidemic?[SUP]1[/SUP]

Fatality Data

It is important to note that COVID-19 data is collected and reported by a much different standard than all other infectious diseases and causes of death data. This unique standard for COVID-19 was used, despite the existence of guidelines that have been successfully used since 2003 for data collection across all infective, comorbid, and injurious situations.

This begs the question, if the CDC already has well established guidelines for reporting fatalities then why make up new guidelines for COVID-19?

COVID-19 data is collected and reported based upon the March 24[SUP]th[/SUP] National Vital Statistics Systems (NVSS) Guidelines and the April 14[SUP]th[/SUP] CDC adoption of a position paper authored by the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE).[SUP] 8,9[/SUP]

However, the data for all other causes of death is based upon the 2003 CDC’s Medical Examiners’ & Coroners’ Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting and the CDC’s Physicians’ Handbook on Medical Certification of Death.[SUP] 10,11[/SUP]

On March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], the NVSS, under the direction of the CDC and National Institute of Health (NIH), instructed physicians, medical examiners, and coroners that COVID-19 would:
  • be recorded as the underlying cause of death “more often than not;”
  • be recorded as the cause of death listed in Part I of the death certificate even in assumed cases;
  • be recorded as the primary cause of death even if the decedent had other chronic comorbidities. All comorbidities for COVID-19 would be listed now in Part II, rather than in Part I as they had been since 2003 for all other causes of death.
March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], 2020 – NVSS COVID-19 Alert No. 2

“Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause? The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

“Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.
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Really interesting study. Lots of info right for the CDC themselves.
 
Jeb2020 said:
Number of influenza tests reported by public health laboratories to CDC since 2010. The number of specimens tested varies with the severity of the season. Since 2010, an average of 77,000 specimens has been tested annually. Multiple tests may be performed on a single specimen.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6038762/

https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

Mask Up, Goggle Up. Stay Safe. EarMuffs next?
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Oh I believe the numbers are higher.. I meant believing it's somehow a bad thing.
i also love your irony that we stoke fear when that's all this post is...
You're so pathetic it hurts.
 
First Time said:
Oh I believe the numbers are higher.. I meant believing it's somehow a bad thing.
i also love your irony that we stoke fear when that's all this post is...
You're so pathetic it hurts.
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That post reeks of idiocy and bad policy. Especially the more that comes out about the reliability of the testing, the enormous amounts of bad data, which then results in more bad policy.

All detracting from people that actually could use the help.
 
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Can you imagine the reaction if 5 people were killed by a person of color and a country backed his effort? Any color from any region around the world.

I'm sure if they were european or russian, the reaction would be muted. But any other country- carpet bombing and 10 years of war.

We are up to almost 30x 9/11, and we are still debating whether we should do something or not. And we are arguing over what is effective and what is not on top of that.

Even imagine an attack that killed nobody, but filled a hospital up for a short time, locally. The r's would be in outrage, and start pretending that they care about veterans again, putting in blood drives across the country, and being ready to strike revenge.

Now, we have multiple hospitals under a lot of strain, and there's denial that it's even a problem. We are being forced to use resources to keep people alive for multiple weeks, and the debate is over insurance scamming instead of helping people and getting them back out of the hospital.

Instead of caring about our citizens, so many people are totally focused on the cost of this. When they had zero problems spending trillion$ on remotely killing people with no real goal or purpose other than an extended revenge campaign.

Pretty sad that money is so much focus when we have to care for each other and it's not when we kill others.

What a great country we have.
 
alfablue said:
Can you imagine the reaction if 5 people were killed by a person of color and a country backed his effort? Any color from any region around the world.

I'm sure if they were european or russian, the reaction would be muted. But any other country- carpet bombing and 10 years of war.

We are up to almost 30x 9/11, and we are still debating whether we should do something or not. And we are arguing over what is effective and what is not on top of that.

Even imagine an attack that killed nobody, but filled a hospital up for a short time, locally. The r's would be in outrage, and start pretending that they care about veterans again, putting in blood drives across the country, and being ready to strike revenge.

Now, we have multiple hospitals under a lot of strain, and there's denial that it's even a problem. We are being forced to use resources to keep people alive for multiple weeks, and the debate is over insurance scamming instead of helping people and getting them back out of the hospital.

Instead of caring about our citizens, so many people are totally focused on the cost of this. When they had zero problems spending trillion$ on remotely killing people with no real goal or purpose other than an extended revenge campaign.

Pretty sad that money is so much focus when we have to care for each other and it's not when we kill others.

What a great country we have.
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What if the actual F are you talking about?

Are you the one that said a dirt cheap drug that has been around for 60+ years was about $$$?

who are your top 3-5 countries that are handling this perfectly?
 
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