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MHSAA (Michigan high school sports) basically kicks the can again until the 20th of August. Golf, tennis, cross country, swimming can start as usual. Football, soccer, volleyball can practice with no pads, but no scrimmages.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Gomehrt blames wearing a mask for contracting covid.

im not even kidding
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Me every time he talks:

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Well no kidding a PCR test detecting viral RNA doesn’t detect an active infection. But let’s keep testing healthy people, can’t get enough of them “cases.” And lets keep calling a positive test, testing positive for Covid19

Quick Team#WetTheBed assemble!

Mission, to make the study political. Call everyone a bot and a racist conspiracy theorist.

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewbos...15465552289800

“”2/2 Conclusion: "Although SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding in respiratory and stool can be prolonged, duration of viable virus is relatively short-lived. Thus, detection of viral RNA cannot be used to infer infectiousness"“

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....25.20162107v1
 
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net presence said:
Jeb...in reference to your comment above regarding the myth that hospitals are gaining some undeserved financial windfall from claiming Covid deaths -- insinuating of course that they are counting non-Covid deaths as Covid in order to fleece the taxpayer. You're probably a bot so you probably won't read it but, hears a link from a "Fact Check" article on this myth.


In an interview with FactCheck.org, however, Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons.
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You might want to go right to CDC material and learn how case counting and death reporting is done. There is more info than what I posted. Please feel free to let me know what is inaccurate.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...ols-reopening/

Why Did the CDC Decide to Create Unique Reporting Rules for COVID-19 When Successful Reporting Rules Already Existed?


A double standard exists for how COVID-19 data is collected and reported versus all other infectious diseases and causes of death. Let’s examine three essential data categories; Fatalities, Cases & Hospitalizations for all infectious diseases because there are significant flaws in what constitutes a COVID-19 case, hospitalization and fatality.

On March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], the CDC decided to ignore universal data collection and reporting guidelines for fatalities in favor of adopting new guidelines unique to COVID-19. The guidelines the CDC decided against using have been used successfully since 2003.

After all, based upon the July 11[SUP]th[/SUP]data from the CDC’s Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age & State webpage, if COVID-19 is an epidemic (122,374 Fatalities), then shouldn’t pneumonia (131,372 Fatalities) also be an epidemic?[SUP]1[/SUP]

Fatality Data

It is important to note that COVID-19 data is collected and reported by a much different standard than all other infectious diseases and causes of death data. This unique standard for COVID-19 was used, despite the existence of guidelines that have been successfully used since 2003 for data collection across all infective, comorbid, and injurious situations.

This begs the question, if the CDC already has well established guidelines for reporting fatalities then why make up new guidelines for COVID-19?

COVID-19 data is collected and reported based upon the March 24[SUP]th[/SUP] National Vital Statistics Systems (NVSS) Guidelines and the April 14[SUP]th[/SUP] CDC adoption of a position paper authored by the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE).[SUP] 8,9[/SUP]

However, the data for all other causes of death is based upon the 2003 CDC’s Medical Examiners’ & Coroners’ Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting and the CDC’s Physicians’ Handbook on Medical Certification of Death.[SUP] 10,11[/SUP]

On March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], the NVSS, under the direction of the CDC and National Institute of Health (NIH), instructed physicians, medical examiners, and coroners that COVID-19 would:
  • be recorded as the underlying cause of death “more often than not;”
  • be recorded as the cause of death listed in Part I of the death certificate even in assumed cases;
  • be recorded as the primary cause of death even if the decedent had other chronic comorbidities. All comorbidities for COVID-19 would be listed now in Part II, rather than in Part I as they had been since 2003 for all other causes of death.
March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], 2020 – NVSS COVID-19 Alert No. 2

“Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause? The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

“Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
We did not flatten the curve. We had one job and we failed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ve-updates-us/

Why? Because Americans are idiots.
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No, conservatives are idiots. We have been consistent saying close up shop, stay home, wear a mask and practice good hygiene if you must interact at all.

The right is now populated by the kids who ate paste in first grade. That's the problem. As they self segregate further their death rate will climb while ours sinks. The problem will take care of itself as soon as we remove them from power and never let them back.
 
Jeb2020 said:
What is the goal now? First it was hospital capacity what is it now?

Your lack of and ability to think doesn’t mean conspiracy for those that do.

You will have to be more specific on the conspiracies. So much of what I posts are stats right from the good ole CDC.

If it is a shutdown tactic throw in racist, for good measure cover all your basis at once.[/


Jeb, I answered your first question in my post last night but, funny, even when you did respond you never actually addressed any of my specific points with any specific evidence or counter points, especially in regards to my explanation on how we could actually stay in shelter-in-place mode - I refuse to use your term (lockdown) any longer as it's simply not accurate -- for as long as we need to, even until we have a vaccine. But obviously, you don't have a legitimate response so, you simply don't acknowledge it was ever said. How typical of you...

Also, you are correct that being as healthy as possible is important in potentially minimizing the impact of getting Covid. However, I am friends with an airline pilot who is 51 years old and was in incredible physical shape before being infected with Covid. Within 48 hours of feeling his initial symptoms -- a cough -- after returning from a swing, he ended up on the floor of his bathroom at 2am and, although he remembers none of this, his wife taking him to the ER where he was immediately placed in ICU. A specialist came and literally sat in his room from 3am until noon that day to ensure everything possible was being done. He was in ICU for 11 days and didn't leave the hospital for another 7 days after that. Prior to getting sick, he was one of those people who thought that, although Covid was real, it's real severity was being significantly overplayed by the MSM. As you can probably imagine, his opinion has changed dramatically. To the point he is now very active on Facebook imploring people to wear masks, socially distance, and avoid gatherings if at all possible.

Finally, in many of your previous posts -- especially a few weeks back -- you were very focused on arguing that the overall death rate was dropping and that the vast majority of people infected would even notice it. Well take a look at this little tidbit:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/92790...ge-study-shows


Even mild coronavirus cases can cause lasting cardiovascular damage, study shows


July 28, 2020

"Skeptics of the disease and the necessity of shutting down the economy to stop its spread have focused on the fact that most coronavirus cases have been mild or even asymptomatic, mistakenly comparing COVID-19 to "just the flu." But a recent study of 100 recovered coronavirus patients reveals 78 of them now have lasting cardiovascular damage even though a vast majority of them had mild cases of COVID-19 in the first place."

But hey, there's no reason to drastically prevent unnecessary spread. In fact, we're probably better off "just getting it and getting to herd immunity quicker"..
Yeah...that's a great f-ing idea Jeb.... Quite frankly, and as much as I hate to say this, this is another nail in the coffin of having kids back in school or, allowing any type of athletics to continue until we have a vaccine.
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Jeb2020 said:
You might want to go right to CDC material and learn how case counting and death reporting is done. There is more info than what I posted. Please feel free to let me know what is inaccurate.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...ols-reopening/

Why Did the CDC Decide to Create Unique Reporting Rules for COVID-19 When Successful Reporting Rules Already Existed?


A double standard exists for how COVID-19 data is collected and reported versus all other infectious diseases and causes of death. Let’s examine three essential data categories; Fatalities, Cases & Hospitalizations for all infectious diseases because there are significant flaws in what constitutes a COVID-19 case, hospitalization and fatality.

On March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], the CDC decided to ignore universal data collection and reporting guidelines for fatalities in favor of adopting new guidelines unique to COVID-19. The guidelines the CDC decided against using have been used successfully since 2003.

After all, based upon the July 11[SUP]th[/SUP]data from the CDC’s Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age & State webpage, if COVID-19 is an epidemic (122,374 Fatalities), then shouldn’t pneumonia (131,372 Fatalities) also be an epidemic?[SUP]1[/SUP]

Fatality Data

It is important to note that COVID-19 data is collected and reported by a much different standard than all other infectious diseases and causes of death data. This unique standard for COVID-19 was used, despite the existence of guidelines that have been successfully used since 2003 for data collection across all infective, comorbid, and injurious situations.

This begs the question, if the CDC already has well established guidelines for reporting fatalities then why make up new guidelines for COVID-19?

COVID-19 data is collected and reported based upon the March 24[SUP]th[/SUP] National Vital Statistics Systems (NVSS) Guidelines and the April 14[SUP]th[/SUP] CDC adoption of a position paper authored by the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE).[SUP] 8,9[/SUP]

However, the data for all other causes of death is based upon the 2003 CDC’s Medical Examiners’ & Coroners’ Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting and the CDC’s Physicians’ Handbook on Medical Certification of Death.[SUP] 10,11[/SUP]

On March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], the NVSS, under the direction of the CDC and National Institute of Health (NIH), instructed physicians, medical examiners, and coroners that COVID-19 would:
  • be recorded as the underlying cause of death “more often than not;”
  • be recorded as the cause of death listed in Part I of the death certificate even in assumed cases;
  • be recorded as the primary cause of death even if the decedent had other chronic comorbidities. All comorbidities for COVID-19 would be listed now in Part II, rather than in Part I as they had been since 2003 for all other causes of death.
March 24[SUP]th[/SUP], 2020 – NVSS COVID-19 Alert No. 2

“Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause? The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”

“Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.
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Yes you moron, I'm well aware how the CDC changed the parameters of how they count Covid deaths compared to previous policy. If YOU were to actually read the Fact Check article in its' entirety, you would see that having a death counted as Covid doesn't really increase the hospital's medicaid or medicare reimbursement, except when the patient didn't have any health insurance. But NOoooooo, you're a freaking idiot and won't actually read information counter to YOUR narrative because if you did, you'd actually have to consider the possibility that your entire viewpoint is invalid. Funny....the same problem the orange menace has.
 
net presence said:
Yes you moron, I'm well aware how the CDC changed the parameters of how they count Covid deaths compared to previous policy. If YOU were to actually read the Fact Check article in its' entirety, you would see that having a death counted as Covid doesn't really increase the hospital's medicaid or medicare reimbursement, except when the patient didn't have any health insurance. But NOoooooo, you're a freaking idiot and won't actually read information counter to YOUR narrative because if you did, you'd actually have to consider the possibility that your entire viewpoint is invalid. Funny....the same problem the orange menace has.
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You are aware of how the CDC changed parameters? Interesting. What are your thoughts on that?

Again going back to the post that you then jumped in. Someone tried to pitch Hydroxycholroquine as as a $ grabbing scheme. Which is absurd seeing as it has been around since 1955 and is very cheap.

I pointed out if you really wanted to follow the money look at the Health Care industry and the Vaccine.

You should go read the Cares act.
 
Jeb, I suspect the reason the CDC chose to change the parameters for Covid reporting is probably the fact that, unlike any other easily transmittable infectious disease, we don't have a vaccine so, as a greater medical community, it's better to err on the side of caution/favoring a Covid diagnosis if there's any chance it might be. Considering it's lethality -- obviously, you don't think it is but, all of the science disagrees with you -- the various national and world wide health agencies would again rather err on the side of caution. A fairly understandable common sense approach, at least it is for those of us who believe in the concept that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. But, you've made it very clear that you don't want to or, can't understand that concept.
 
Almost forgot Jeb, I see you still haven't addressed my concepts for maintaining the economy while allowing the majority of the country to stay at home if necessary.
 
Not to mention, as whalers himself has said, "we've never faced an infectious virus like this before!!!"
 
net presence said:
Jeb, I suspect the reason the CDC chose to change the parameters for Covid reporting is probably the fact that, unlike any other easily transmittable infectious disease, we don't have a vaccine so, as a greater medical community, it's better to err on the side of caution/favoring a Covid diagnosis if there's any chance it might be. Considering it's lethality -- obviously, you don't think it is but, all of the science disagrees with you -- the various national and world wide health agencies would again rather err on the side of caution. A fairly understandable common sense approach, at least it is for those of us who believe in the concept that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. But, you've made it very clear that you don't want to or, can't understand that concept.
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That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Holy sh*t.

and in regards to the lethality. It is much, much lower than advertised when this all got going. Try Harder.
 
net presence said:
Almost forgot Jeb, I see you still haven't addressed my concepts for maintaining the economy while allowing the majority of the country to stay at home if necessary.
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I’ve replied many times about your horrible ideas of a stay at home. You can stay at home all you want and take whatever precautions you would like. Requiring an entire population or a vast majority of it to do so is completely Unnecessary and the consequences far out weigh whatever benefits you perceive. You don’t lock down healthy people. And you don’t turn an economy on and off.
 
Gym Jordan is too stupid for words

“WATCH: A shouting match erupted among lawmakers during a hearing on tech companies after GOP Rep. Jim Jordan was accused of bringing up "fringe conspiracy theories." During the exchange, Jordan was yelled at for not wearing a mask despite his colleague Louie Gohmert testing positive for coronavirus.

“If you want to talk about masks, why would the deputy secretary of treasury unmask Michael Flynn’s name, Mr. Raskin?” Jordan fired back after told to put his mask on.

https://thehill.com/policy/technolo...qout0cMFWtCf8QzdVJXqq_BqhLHmvZKeuxok1RDxh_78w
 
Jeb, again, you actually haven't responded with any specificity to my points about how to maintain the economy while still allowing the majority of people to stay at home. You just haven't. Not a single, specific statement of support. No links, no nothing. You know why? Because you can't... And yes, you're simply flat out wrong regarding not being able to turn the economy on and off. We've already done it once in this pandemic. You keep making these broad sweeping generalities without EVER providing any type of specific and legitimate supporting information. You stated in your previous post that my previous post was "one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Holy S-it."

Jeb, please explain in detail exactly WHY my statement is so damn dumb. Go ahead Jeb, I dare you. In fact, I double-dog dare you... :)
 
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