Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Jeb2020]

[sorry for quoting the troll]

The same thing the second dose of one of the mRNA vaccines does. It stimulates your memory-B cells to produce antibodies. Other vaccines also use a two dose schedule to confer increased protection.

There is research suggesting that if you've already been infected with Covid, you probably only need one dose of Moderna or Pfizer for good protection. The CDC hasn't changed guidance yet, but it's definitely something that is being looked at. So it's likely that actual covid infection is equivalent to one dose of the vaccine, and does not protect as well on its own (but it likely does offer some protection).

But we have no idea how long immunity last after the MNRa vaccination, no? That’s one of the reasons it’s not FDA approved among others, it’s being studied in real time. Hence the EAU authorization.

So say someone is 35 years old, healthy, healthy weight, no comorbidities, literally almost 0% statistical chance of serious complications from getting Covid.

Can you explain why that person would need the vaccine versus allowing their perfectly functioning immune system to do its job against a Corona Virus?

And since we are talking in “likely” we know that the Covid Vaccine is almost certainly not going to eliminate a Corona Virus but likely be a regular booster shot similar to what is done with the flu each year.

 

[St. Clown]

Memory-B cells are the long-term memory cells for your immune system, thus the -at this time- hypothesized difference between the vaccine and having become sick from COVID-19.

 

[French Rage]

The same reason Jeb doesn't have a syph immunity even though his mom was riddled with it.

 

[Kepler]

The same reason Jeb doesn't have a syph immunity even though his mom was riddled with it.

 

[BassAle]

Can you explain why that person would need the vaccine versus allowing their perfectly functioning immune system to do its job against a Corona Virus?

So they don't catch it and spread it to someone else that dies?

 

[Jeb2020]

So they don't catch it and spread it to someone else that dies?

No where in the ballpark of answering the question but nice try on going the “Save Grandma” route.

You can try again if you would like. What protection does the Vaccine offer someone that already has a healthy functioning immune system?

Your response does raise the question, why would someone die if they have received the vaccine themselves? Especially given the fact that the death rates are minuscule pre vaccine already.

 

[theprofromdover]

Pfizer.

I’m getting my second Pfizer shot tomorrow. I had no reaction to the first one but we’ve decided to not go skiing until Thursday in the event of side effects.

 

[geezer]

It’s slightly interesting to me as a sociological study, that as soon as Dumpie was silenced on Twitter for attempting a half ass overthrow of the United States, his most devout worshippers immediately switched from “Dumpie’s personal invention of vaccination saved the human race” to “medicine is an evil fake news invention of Fidel Castro and Bill Gates and/or some rich Jew.” It shows that it really is an unmoored cult of “personality” without any consistent principle, either bad or worse. They will just espouse whatever hurts more people.

 

[MichVandal]

So they don't catch it and spread it to someone else that dies?

by know, we see that's the game plan they are following- 500k and counting.

 

[Scarlet]

It’s slightly interesting to me as a sociological study, that as soon as Dumpie was silenced on Twitter for attempting a half *** overthrow of the United States, his most devout worshippers immediately switched from “Dumpie’s personal invention of vaccination saved the human race” to “medicine is an evil fake news invention of Fidel Castro and Bill Gates and/or some rich Jew.” It shows that it really is an unmoored cult of “personality” without any consistent principle, either bad or worse. They will just espouse whatever hurts more people.

Every time I see a post from one of his cult I want to forward the tweets/posts that were shared a few weeks back that said Dump and Melania both got vaccinated before they left the White House. If their Lord and Savior had no issue getting a vaccine, even after having COVID, you'd think they would all be chomping at the bit to get one!

 

[MichVandal]

Every time I see a post from one of his cult I want to forward the tweets/posts that were shared a few weeks back that said Dump and Melania both got vaccinated before they left the White House. If their Lord and Savior had no issue getting a vaccine, even after having COVID, you'd think they would all be chomping at the bit to get one!

Let alone dumpy trying to take 100% credit for the vaccine- as if he did anything. Pfizer didn't take part in operation warp speed, and was the first out.

I can't fathom how sick a person dumpy is- knowing how bad the virus was, and then intentionally doing things to make it worse.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

He's not playing. Dunning-Kruger.

Classic FlagDUDE.

 

[Swansong]

Interesting. Why this one and not SARS or one of the others? Body count?

Epidemiologists have been warning about "The Next Big One" for a half century. Not some piddling 3M but billions. Have we averted a catastrophic Black Death by getting "lucky" with a midrange virus that killed under 10M?

Did we just meta-virus medicine itself? Was it even medicine or just having utter incompetence in government at the time of vulnerability? They used to say famines were not about food but about terrible regimes. Did America just pay the price for having a terrible regime when something important happened?

I think body count and overall societal impact are why, but I'll leave that to the medical historians. SARS 1 (and MERS) were far more severe and deadly diseases, but since most people who were infected with them pretty quickly developed obvious and serious symptoms, there was no issue with asymptomatic spread. Pre-symptomatic spread was possible but since it became super obvious super quickly that anyone who got sick needed to quarantine it was less problematic. Since SARS 2 spreads so gleefully from those without any symptoms, it festered (and festered and festered) and since it is much less severe than SARS 1, morons simply look at the topline fatality rate and erroneously think it's not a big deal, never bothering to take into consideration the actual impacts (like overcrowded hospitals, excess death from reduced care at said overcrowded hospitals, etc.).

I am not an epidemiologist so my opinion on this isn't super researched, but I feel like "we" hear endless doom and gloom predictions about this or that. Will there be another pandemic as horrific as the black plague? Maybe? I worry about that as much as I worry that the Yellowstone super volcano will explode, or the Chinese will invade the west coast, or whatever. I'd like to think we could have done better than we did during this pandemic, but I've read Asimov's Nemesis and ... we're just doomed to repeat the same stupid mistakes over and over.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

As someone in epi and who gets to spend time with Osterholm on occasion- it can get scary when you know what he knows. A flu based pandemic is still what’s likely to take us all down, and anti biotic resistance is what terrifies me next if I think about it. Which I try not to.

with how the flu changes, well, you know why it’s hard to get a bulletproof vaccine. amd yes sars 1 was much, much deadlier.

 

[Handyman]

Pfizer shot 1 is in the books!

 

[Drew S.]

As someone in epi and who gets to spend time with Osterholm on occasion- it can get scary when you know what he knows. A fly based pandemic is still what’s likely to take us all down, and anti biotic resistance is what terrifies me next if I think about it. Which I try not to.

with how the flu changes, well, you know why it’s hard to get a bulletproof vaccine. amd yes sars 1 was much, much deadlier.

You’re obviously a lot more knowledgeable than me on Covid but I’ve been feeling pretty negative about the situation the last week or so. Maybe we’ll dodge the bullet of a spring surge, and I think either way we have a decent summer, but I think next fall we’ll be in a similar situation to this year where we more or less are trapped at home. I don’t think deaths and hospitalizations will be nearly as bad but it is going to be another tough winter for most people. I obviously hope I’m wrong.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Covid was bad because it:
Spread easily
spread asymptomatically
Killed a lot
but didn't kill "too many"

if this was as deadly as MERS with the same other characteristics, we'd have China-style lockdowns worldwide.

 

[Swansong]

Covid was bad because it:
Spread easily
spread asymptomatically
Killed a lot
but didn't kill "too many"

if this was as deadly as MERS with the same other characteristics, we'd have China-style lockdowns worldwide.

I agree with this. I also think we wouldn't have nearly as much resistance if bodies were piling up the way they would if this was MERS. Sure, window lickers like trollbot here would do their stupid thing, but it's a much harder sell to tell someone it's fake when they know many people who've died from it.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Covid was bad because it:
Spread easily
spread asymptomatically
Killed a lot
but didn't kill "too many"

if this was as deadly as MERS with the same other characteristics, we'd have China-style lockdowns worldwide.

The MERS chapter in Osterholm book is great. It’s in camels and here to stay- will jump to humans again and a 35% death rate is , well...

 

[leswp1]

In response to the person who asked why get the vaccine with a fully functioning immune system- the latest variants are bypassing the natural immunity that folks who got it early have developed. In simple terms the virus morphed so the antibodies are not effective at blocking the virus from attaching to healthy cells and infecting. Vaccines work but not as effectively- they are showing decreased mortality but for some of the variants people still get sick. SO far this is true for at least 3 variants that I have seen- the SA, the Brazil and the new kid on the block- the NY variant.

Vaccines usually produce more efficient immunity- HPV has poor natural immunity but almost 99% immunity with vaccine.

Viruses have been around a long time, longer than we have been. They didn't survive being stupid. They morph and adjust to succeed at reproduction and spreading and they do this well.