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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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I was talking to a buddy of mine who hails from Bismarck...though he has lived in Minnesota for 20 years or so. His family mostly still lives there and he saw a bunch of them a couple weeks ago when he went back for some reason. Needless to say the attitude amongst the NoDakers he saw (family and friends) was not the one you would like to see if you want to believe this pandemic is going to end very soon. Not a lot of masks (he wore one obviously) and a lot of very hoaxer like talk. They aren't super bright though anyways...they think Trump won the election.

Needless to say he isn't going back there any time soon or seeing any of them if they come here.
 
Yet, what people are experiencing, what 99% of the citizens in this country have personally experienced, is almost nothing except the reaction to Covid. The loss of a job. The inability to go to public establishments. The requirement that they wear a mask.

Oh, those poor people. Can't go to the bar, and have to wear a mask. The poor dears.

As I said, soft, spoiled, selfish.

As for job losses, there's no reason that should impact them other than a dysfunctional government that refuses to look out for anyone but the wealthy. We could have taken care of people, like pretty much every first world nation in this world has done. We chose not to.

In large part, because our sitting president thought it would benefit him politically to not to.

Which is abysmal, and should have people calling for his head.
 
So you're saying that a surge in unemployment filings in late March and early April are due to ND not taking steps to fight the pandemic?

No, I'm saying that your analysis of the impacts being led by a collapse of oil prices and China are rubbish. Failure to do do literally anything to control a pandemic at any level of government led people with brains to stay home and keep their money. Control the virus, fix the economy. It only works in that order.
 
It has nothing to do with people choosing the economy over life. There is a very simple answer for what we have seen in this country in response to Covid. What people are being told does not match up with what they are experiencing. Every single day citizens are told that there is mayhem out there. It leads every newscast. It dominates the internet. You literally can't avoid reading about Covid.

Yet, what people are experiencing, what 99% of the citizens in this country have personally experienced, is almost nothing except the reaction to Covid. The loss of a job. The inability to go to public establishments. The requirement that they wear a mask.

Ask yourself this. Assume no radio, tv, internet, print media or other public news outlets. Further assume there were no responses by the government, that is, no school or business closures, no mask mandates in place, etc...

Would you know there is a current public health crisis occurring? I wouldn't. I doubt 99% of the people would. Unless you are working in a healthcare facility, or something closely associated with it, or unless you were associated with a family where suddenly multiple members died after attending a wedding or funeral or something, you wouldn't have a clue. The people who are actually experiencing the pandemic are a tiny, tiny fraction of the population.

For those of you on this Board who got Covid but don't work in healthcare, you probably would have just assumed it was the flu, a cold, or some strange malady that went away after a week or two.

That's what is going on. You can tell people the sky is falling (and they've been told pretty steadily now for months on end) but until it actually hits them in the head and they experience it, you're going to see large numbers of people fighting rules and mandates, you're going to see hundreds of people attend bottle parties in NYC or go on cruises or travel to relatives homes for Thanksgiving, or whatever. To them, the "problem" is simply abstract.

I understand what you're saying, but recently that attitude has started to shift towards people understanding what this virus can do. The rural areas were relatively untouched by this, and I saw that this summer when people from the Twin Cities were traveling through northern MN. The locals would look at you like you were a fool, but now they're running very low on ICU bed capacity. The impact is becoming very real to these people now. CBS this morning was reporting the statistic that at this point, 1 in 4 North Dakotans now know somebody who's died from COVID-19. A few months ago, maybe four North Dakotans in all knew somebody impacted by the disease, let alone knew somebody who died. Things are changing.
 
I was talking to a buddy of mine who hails from Bismarck...though he has lived in Minnesota for 20 years or so. His family mostly still lives there and he saw a bunch of them a couple weeks ago when he went back for some reason. Needless to say the attitude amongst the NoDakers he saw (family and friends) was not the one you would like to see if you want to believe this pandemic is going to end very soon. Not a lot of masks (he wore one obviously) and a lot of very hoaxer like talk. They aren't super bright though anyways...they think Trump won the election.

Needless to say he isn't going back there any time soon or seeing any of them if they come here.

My cousin got the virus from a trip to North Dakota. Large funeral gathering. No masks. The type of gathering the anti-maskers, anti-social distancers would say is necessary and cruel to restrict, eliminate, or regulate.
 
It has nothing to do with people choosing the economy over life. There is a very simple answer for what we have seen in this country in response to Covid. What people are being told does not match up with what they are experiencing. Every single day citizens are told that there is mayhem out there. It leads every newscast. It dominates the internet. You literally can't avoid reading about Covid.

Yet, what people are experiencing, what 99% of the citizens in this country have personally experienced, is almost nothing except the reaction to Covid. The loss of a job. The inability to go to public establishments. The requirement that they wear a mask.

Ask yourself this. Assume no radio, tv, internet, print media or other public news outlets. Further assume there were no responses by the government, that is, no school or business closures, no mask mandates in place, etc...

Would you know there is a current public health crisis occurring? I wouldn't. I doubt 99% of the people would. Unless you are working in a healthcare facility, or something closely associated with it, or unless you were associated with a family where suddenly multiple members died after attending a wedding or funeral or something, you wouldn't have a clue. The people who are actually experiencing the pandemic are a tiny, tiny fraction of the population.

For those of you on this Board who got Covid but don't work in healthcare, you probably would have just assumed it was the flu, a cold, or some strange malady that went away after a week or two.

That's what is going on. You can tell people the sky is falling (and they've been told pretty steadily now for months on end) but until it actually hits them in the head and they experience it, you're going to see large numbers of people fighting rules and mandates, you're going to see hundreds of people attend bottle parties in NYC or go on cruises or travel to relatives homes for Thanksgiving, or whatever. To them, the "problem" is simply abstract.

You obviously dont know anyone who got it...because I think of all the people I know who did only 1 has said it was anything like the flu.

And I want you to think about the whole argument you made in this post...and then I want you to realize that what you are saying is exactly what everyone else is. People are stupid and selfish. You try and make it sound logical, but all you are doing is backing up what we are all saying while trying to argue with what we are all saying. If it doesn't affect them they don't care. That means they are azzholes plain and simple.

There is plenty of diseases and outbreaks that never affect us that people/the government take precautions for even if the chances are slim it ever comes close to them. That is because it never becomes politicized. One party in this country decided they were going to make this disease the cause du jour and it has lead to the death of soon to be 300k. That is the problem. Americans are selfish and the Right decided to feed off that to downplay the whole thing to protect their God-King and their power. They still do it now. All they had to do was listen to experts (instead of ignoring them, firing them, deriding them, insulting them or forcing them to change their opinions) and we could be in a much better position. Nope...they didn't want to admit Trump was wrong (and that science was right cause knowledge is stupid) and so they just ignored it and moved on. Hell their opinion now is to just live with it. They, and their psycho voters have abdicated any sort of societal responsibility.

Christ they wont even help people out with a stimulus. All they care about is making sure business gets theirs. You know what helps a dying economy...helping people have money to spend. The Right decided that the only way to have that was to open everything up. Our numbers are skyrocketing (deaths yesterday were the second highest of the entire Pandemic!) and they just want to keep it going. Every other civilized country paid people to NOT do that...but hey we are Americans our selfishness knows no bounds!!

If the Right had just done the *ahem* right thing and shut up and listened to experts and told people the truth...a lot of the old people who half this country don't seem to think matter anymore would still be alive.
 
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I understand what you're saying, but recently that attitude has started to shift towards people understanding what this virus can do. The rural areas were relatively untouched by this, and I saw that this summer when people from the Twin Cities were traveling through northern MN. The locals would look at you like you were a fool, but now they're running very low on ICU bed capacity. The impact is becoming very real to these people now. CBS this morning was reporting the statistic that at this point, 1 in 4 North Dakotans now know somebody who's died from COVID-19. A few months ago, maybe four North Dakotans in all knew somebody impacted by the disease, let alone knew somebody who died. Things are changing.

Sure, as the virus spreads, as more people die, the number of people who "experience" Covid will expand.

Personally, I maybe know 12-15 people who have tested positive. Out of that group, 2/3 were symptom free but got themselves tested because of contact with someone who had it, so, in normal instances and without widespread news coverage of it, those 8-10 people probably would have never known they had it.

Of those with symptoms, probably the most serious described it as a mild to moderate case of the flu, with a mild fever, extreme fatigue, and things like that for a period of 5-7 days.

It was nothing that would have screamed out to me "public health crisis" but for the news coverage of Covid.
 
Don't ask why, but I know a few people that went to this, and know several that considered going and didn't solely because of their job schedules.

They're unrepentant. Fully intend to continue these meets.

So this is the new version of autoerotic asphyxiation?
 
You obviously dont know anyone who got it...because I think of all the people I know who did only 1 has said it was anything like the flu.

And I want you to think about the whole argument you made in this post...and then I want you to realize that what you are saying is exactly what everyone else is. People are stupid and selfish. You try and make it sound logical, but all you are doing is backing up what we are all saying while trying to argue with what we are all saying. If it doesn't affect them they don't care. That means they are azzholes plain and simple.

There is plenty of diseases and outbreaks that never affect us that people/the government take precautions for even if the chances are slim it ever comes close to them. That is because it never becomes politicized. One party in this country decided they were going to make this disease the cause du jour and it has lead to the death of soon to be 300k. That is the problem. Americans are selfish and the Right decided to feed off that to downplay the whole thing to protect their God-King and their power. They still do it now. All they had to do was listen to experts (instead of ignoring them, firing them, deriding them, insulting them or forcing them to change their opinions) and we could be in a much better position. Nope...they didn't want to admit Trump was wrong (and that science was right cause knowledge is stupid) and so they just ignored it and moved on. Hell their opinion now is to just live with it. They, and their psycho voters have abdicated any sort of societal responsibility.

Christ they wont even help people out with a stimulus. All they care about is making sure business gets theirs. You know what helps a dying economy...helping people have money to spend. The Right decided that the only way to have that was to open everything up. Our numbers are skyrocketing (deaths yesterday were the second highest of the entire Pandemic!) and they just want to keep it going. Every other civilized country paid people to NOT do that...but hey we are Americans our selfishness knows no bounds!!

If the Right had just done the *ahem* right thing and shut up and listened to experts and told people the truth...a lot of the old people who half this country don't seem to think matter anymore would still be alive.

I get that here in Cafe everything must be political, people need to be chastised, people need to be judged. All I am telling you is this. If you walk outside without a coat on and it seems nice to you, and then your mom tells you that you need to wear a coat, and your dad tells you that you need to wear a coat, and your friends tell you that you should probably be wearing a coat, you're not going to wear a coat because your experience just told you that you didn't need one. Their advice to you may be well-meaning and right from a health perspective, but you're not going to wear one. You might later regret it, but you are simply acting as human beings act.
 
LOL. Me too. We know the same people.

Sexual proclivities aside, the people I know who would have gone are, while I like them, idiots. Also hockey fans! And, actually, Dump voters -- although I forgive them because they came by it honestly by environment (no education, abusive parents, low income Western white). There actually are people who vote R without any malice in their heart; they're just without a lick of sense. They are R (well, L) in the way some people are born with Downs.

Mewe is a weird place. ;-)
 
Just saw a quote on twitter from CDC Director Redfield: ‘We were severely unprepared for the pandemic.’ I expect he will be fired shortly.
 
Sorry, that's totally missing what is going on.

First, people are terrified of shutting down because they are afraid the economy will be ruined. The desires to open things back up was 100% about the economy, instead of waiting a couple of more weeks to stop the virus in it's tracks. And the idea the meat packing plants would be forced to shut down killed how many of their workers? That steak was delicious, wasn't it?

Second, the reason that things are not matching up is that they are being told conflicting information, mostly because the guy in the white house has made this a political issue over a science one. It's amusing you don't think that hospitals running at capacity and the workers going out of their minds isn't mayhem. People are dying in pretty high numbers, and that's somehow not concerning.

The fact that hospitals are full and struggling to take care of people, and so many people have died, yea, that is the leading story- just like every single war that we've fought. Crap, the war on terrorism has gotten massive news, and has had marginal deaths to COVID19.

But keep playing this down. Let people you don't know just die, they are old anyway. It has nothing to do with you.

It's pretty funny that you up play the concept of how bad defunding the police are, when the numbers there are so very, very small. The risk of violence is miniscule, the risk of harm is miniscule, the loss of the economy is nothing- but we have to fund the police. But when there's a health risk to people, and orders of magnitude more people are dying, this isn't a big deal. How that math works out in your mind is curious. Seems like it's the same that you would support a war over a single person's death, but you won't support healthcare for all.
You seriously think that if a state, or the states collectively waited "a couple of more weeks" the virus would have been stopped in its tracks?
 
I get that here in Cafe everything must be political, people need to be chastised, people need to be judged. All I am telling you is this. If you walk outside without a coat on and it seems nice to you, and then your mom tells you that you need to wear a coat, and your dad tells you that you need to wear a coat, and your friends tell you that you should probably be wearing a coat, you're not going to wear a coat because your experience just told you that you didn't need one. Their advice to you may be well-meaning and right from a health perspective, but you're not going to wear one. You might later regret it, but you are simply acting as human beings act.

Terrible analogy. My parents and friends aren't weather experts their opinion is no more valid than mine. If a meteorologist tells me to wear a coat because I could risk harm you are damned right I will wear the fcuking coat. Unlike the insecure, when someone who knows more than me gives me advice, I actually pay attention to it and consider it. I don't call it a hoax and flout the rules and then beg people to pray for me when it bites me in the azz.
 
Just saw a quote on twitter from CDC Director Redfield: ‘We were severely unprepared for the pandemic.’ I expect he will be fired shortly.

He was gonna be fired anyway. He needs to go.

three years of a bumbling buffoon admin who thought dismantling government was the objective.

amd to the other conversation- tons of small businesses are open and terrified of going under. There’s a reason that the civilized nations with healthcare also paid businesses to not go under and not endanger more lives.
 
If the Right had just done the *ahem* right thing and shut up and listened to experts and told people the truth...a lot of the old people who half this country don't seem to think matter anymore would still be alive.

Remember when The Right used to hold old people on a pedestal?

"We must protect our precious seniors from the radical libs, who want to pick and choose who among them get to live, and who must die. Death panels!!! Sending our old people off to their deaths like cattle"

Now it's "No big deal, they're old. Contribute nothing to society. Were gonna die anyway. Need to sacrifice them so the economy can keep on churning."

Sociopathic fucks, every one of them. Hovey included.
 
Sure, as the virus spreads, as more people die, the number of people who "experience" Covid will expand.

Personally, I maybe know 12-15 people who have tested positive. Out of that group, 2/3 were symptom free but got themselves tested because of contact with someone who had it, so, in normal instances and without widespread news coverage of it, those 8-10 people probably would have never known they had it.

Of those with symptoms, probably the most serious described it as a mild to moderate case of the flu, with a mild fever, extreme fatigue, and things like that for a period of 5-7 days.

It was nothing that would have screamed out to me "public health crisis" but for the news coverage of Covid.

How many of them passed it on to someone who didn't have a good outcome from it? Maybe died.

You don't know. But, then again, you don't care.
 
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