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Oh you and your facts. We know those don't go over well in NoDak. ;^)

(yes I know you live here Hovey)

Sure, but my point in response to dx was this. If you want to narrow down numbers and start looking at deaths as they pertain to 80+ year old people, the numbers are going to be high, with or without Covid. I think in Minnesota something like 2/3 of all Covid deaths have occurred in people 80+, which comprises less than 3% of the population. If you really want to be grim, calculate the ratio of deaths to occupants in nursing homes. Haven't there been about 2300 nursing home deaths so far in Minnesota and we have what, 23,000 residents. That's 1 out of 10.

If you want to find scary numbers, for anything, you can always do it.
 
It's amusing that you keep pretending that not being the worst is ok. It misses a few things:

1) the potential is still very much there, given the death rate, the infection rate, and the hospital situation.

and more important

2) the fact that virtually all of the deaths could have been prevented. It's not as if there are not states, let alone countries, that have done a much better job- including much denser states with fewer overall deaths. Why does ND have to wait until they potentially are the worst state WRT deaths until it's significant??? I just don't get that lack of logic. Especially since a game plan has been demonstrated for quite some time. Instead, the state decided that they need to learn the lessons all over again, all on their own, with no input from the rest of the world. That's sad. Push the easy button, money is saved, economy keeps going, and lives are saved. Instead, ignorance and arrogance has killed a lot of people. Let alone has had a massive economic impact on the state.

Covid has had a massive economic impact on the state, but not in the way that you are suggesting, at least not yet.

As many here have noted, North Dakota basically left its economy open until relatively late in the pandemic, so it's not like the state felt the effects of massive unemployment or lost revenue due to business closures.

What has happened, largely due to the pandemic, is that oil prices have collapsed. This is probably due in large part to the pandemic, but oil price fluctuations have always been a bit of a mystery to me. That, coupled with Trump screwing around with China in a fake trade war, is what has had an impact on the state's finances, not the death of 950 people, maybe half of which were in nursing homes.
 
It's amusing that you keep pretending that not being the worst is ok. It misses a few things:

1) the potential is still very much there, given the death rate, the infection rate, and the hospital situation.

and more important

2) the fact that virtually all of the deaths could have been prevented. It's not as if there are not states, let alone countries, that have done a much better job- including much denser states with fewer overall deaths. Why does ND have to wait until they potentially are the worst state WRT deaths until it's significant??? I just don't get that lack of logic. Especially since a game plan has been demonstrated for quite some time. Instead, the state decided that they need to learn the lessons all over again, all on their own, with no input from the rest of the world. That's sad. Push the easy button, money is saved, economy keeps going, and lives are saved. Instead, ignorance and arrogance has killed a lot of people. Let alone has had a massive economic impact on the state.

I liked when I pointed out North Dakota’s precarious status a few weeks ago and he came to point out there bed availability was totally the same as it has been for months, completely neglecting the critical context of now being 1.cold and 2. Holiday season
 
Don't ask why, but I know a few people that went to this, and know several that considered going and didn't solely because of their job schedules.

They're unrepentant. Fully intend to continue these meets.

You can rejoin them once you get the jab!
 
Don't ask why, but I know a few people that went to this, and know several that considered going and didn't solely because of their job schedules.

They're unrepentant. Fully intend to continue these meets.

LOL. Me too. We know the same people.

Sexual proclivities aside, the people I know who would have gone are, while I like them, idiots. Also hockey fans! And, actually, Dump voters -- although I forgive them because they came by it honestly by environment (no education, abusive parents, low income Western white). There actually are people who vote R without any malice in their heart; they're just without a lick of sense. They are R (well, L) in the way some people are born with Downs.
 
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You can rejoin them once you get the jab!

Phrasing.

Nothing against that lifestyle; it's just not for me. Some people need to always add drama into their lives. As if monogamous marriage wasn't mind-bendingly difficult enough already.

But maybe they're actually geniuses, and bored with what fulfills the rest of us. Maybe we're like Handy, overwhelmed by a bare minimum plot and a handful of over used tropes, and angered and threatened by anything more demanding.

But I doubt it. I think they're kinda messed up. But well meaning.
 
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Covid has had a massive economic impact on the state, but not in the way that you are suggesting, at least not yet.

As many here have noted, North Dakota basically left its economy open until relatively late in the pandemic, so it's not like the state felt the effects of massive unemployment or lost revenue due to business closures.

What has happened, largely due to the pandemic, is that oil prices have collapsed. This is probably due in large part to the pandemic, but oil price fluctuations have always been a bit of a mystery to me. That, coupled with Trump screwing around with China in a fake trade war, is what has had an impact on the state's finances, not the death of 950 people, maybe half of which were in nursing homes.

Yeah, this graph clearly shows there was no issue with unemployment early on....
https://www.ndlmi.com/gsipub/index.asp?docid=687
You don't have to close businesses for there to be an economic impact. The smart people (I know...ND) are staying away anyhow.
 
I liked when I pointed out North Dakota’s precarious status a few weeks ago and he came to point out there bed availability was totally the same as it has been for months, completely neglecting the critical context of now being 1.cold and 2. Holiday season

Yep, and when you posted that, bed availability was at about 9.8%. Now it's at 12.9%. Active positive cases were just over 10,000 on November 13, now they are at 5236. In fact, when I saw the news on tv last night, it looked like ND was one of maybe 5 or 6 states where hospitalizations were trending down over the last couple of weeks.

Can things change? Sure. But ND was always going to get its turn fighting the virus.
 
Yep, and when you posted that, bed availability was at about 9.8%. Now it's at 12.9%. Active positive cases were just over 10,000 on November 13, now they are at 5236. In fact, when I saw the news on tv last night, it looked like ND was one of maybe 5 or 6 states where hospitalizations were trending down over the last couple of weeks.

Can things change? Sure. But ND was always going to get its turn fighting the virus.

And you brought up yesterday that they finally did a mask mandate mid November. Coincidence?? I’m sure
 
And you brought up yesterday that they finally did a mask mandate mid November. Coincidence?? I’m sure

I don't think it's a coincidence at all. I think masks help, I've said that before, and it's why I wear one out in public. But I've also said that all they do is moderate the effect. ND was still going to feel the surge, just as Minnesota did early on, and has again recently.
 
Hindsight is blind, apparently. Why is it so hard for people to see what has happened before? I wonder how many times this exact refrain has been spoken this year.... When we knew what to do way, way, way back.

Cause Americans are soft, selfish, spoiled little brats, who want their toys(entertainment, sports, bar scene, dining out, vacations, what have you) when they want it, and will not tolerate any little inconvenience that will prevent them from doing so.

Even if it kills them.
 
Sure, but my point in response to dx was this. If you want to narrow down numbers and start looking at deaths as they pertain to 80+ year old people, the numbers are going to be high, with or without Covid. I think in Minnesota something like 2/3 of all Covid deaths have occurred in people 80+, which comprises less than 3% of the population. If you really want to be grim, calculate the ratio of deaths to occupants in nursing homes. Haven't there been about 2300 nursing home deaths so far in Minnesota and we have what, 23,000 residents. That's 1 out of 10.

If you want to find scary numbers, for anything, you can always do it.

So that makes it ok. Gotcha, Mr. Sociopath.

They were old, and gonna die anyway. No big deal.

I sincerely hope your parents aren't still living.
 
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Economy over life. Awesome.

It has nothing to do with people choosing the economy over life. There is a very simple answer for what we have seen in this country in response to Covid. What people are being told does not match up with what they are experiencing. Every single day citizens are told that there is mayhem out there. It leads every newscast. It dominates the internet. You literally can't avoid reading about Covid.

Yet, what people are experiencing, what 99% of the citizens in this country have personally experienced, is almost nothing except the reaction to Covid. The loss of a job. The inability to go to public establishments. The requirement that they wear a mask.

Ask yourself this. Assume no radio, tv, internet, print media or other public news outlets. Further assume there were no responses by the government, that is, no school or business closures, no mask mandates in place, etc...

Would you know there is a current public health crisis occurring? I wouldn't. I doubt 99% of the people would. Unless you are working in a healthcare facility, or something closely associated with it, or unless you were associated with a family where suddenly multiple members died after attending a wedding or funeral or something, you wouldn't have a clue. The people who are actually experiencing the pandemic are a tiny, tiny fraction of the population.

For those of you on this Board who got Covid but don't work in healthcare, you probably would have just assumed it was the flu, a cold, or some strange malady that went away after a week or two.

That's what is going on. You can tell people the sky is falling (and they've been told pretty steadily now for months on end) but until it actually hits them in the head and they experience it, you're going to see large numbers of people fighting rules and mandates, you're going to see hundreds of people attend bottle parties in NYC or go on cruises or travel to relatives homes for Thanksgiving, or whatever. To them, the "problem" is simply abstract.
 
It has nothing to do with people choosing the economy over life. There is a very simple answer for what we have seen in this country in response to Covid. What people are being told does not match up with what they are experiencing. Every single day citizens are told that there is mayhem out there. It leads every newscast. It dominates the internet. You literally can't avoid reading about Covid.

Yet, what people are experiencing, what 99% of the citizens in this country have personally experienced, is almost nothing except the reaction to Covid. The loss of a job. The inability to go to public establishments. The requirement that they wear a mask.

Ask yourself this. Assume no radio, tv, internet, print media or other public news outlets. Further assume there were no responses by the government, that is, no school or business closures, no mask mandates in place, etc...

Would you know there is a current public health crisis occurring? I wouldn't. I doubt 99% of the people would. Unless you are working in a healthcare facility, or something closely associated with it, or unless you were associated with a family where suddenly multiple members died after attending a wedding or funeral or something, you wouldn't have a clue. The people who are actually experiencing the pandemic are a tiny, tiny fraction of the population.

For those of you on this Board who got Covid but don't work in healthcare, you probably would have just assumed it was the flu, a cold, or some strange malady that went away after a week or two.

That's what is going on. You can tell people the sky is falling (and they've been told pretty steadily now for months on end) but until it actually hits them in the head and they experience it, you're going to see large numbers of people fighting rules and mandates, you're going to see hundreds of people attend bottle parties in NYC or go on cruises or travel to relatives homes for Thanksgiving, or whatever. To them, the "problem" is simply abstract.

No. No. And no.

It's a big deal. I don't care what you people say. And people that go to large gatherings get sick. are overwhelming the hospital system, and are often having residual persistent problems. I haven't got sick and I am seeing this all over the fucking place.

99%. Bullshit.

And I am not a health care worker and I am not having people dying around me.
 
No. No. And no.

It's a big deal. I don't care what you people say. And people that go to large gatherings get sick. are overwhelming the hospital system, and are often having residual persistent problems. I haven't got sick and I am seeing this all over the ****ing place.

99%. Bull****.

And I am not a health care worker and I am not having people dying around me.

I’m a member on this board and certainly would have known what I had wasn’t the flu.
 
They are. They're in their 80's. They both live in North Dakota.

So by your rationale, if they get the Covid and die, no big deal. Them's the breaks. It was their time.

Possibly could have had another 5-10 years left. Oh well. Nothing could have been done.
 
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