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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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I got the covid cough around 9-16/17 (coincided with my first negative test results, which I actually think were positive and I just shoved that swab into my brain a couple days too soon) and up until a few days ago it was still persisting harshly enough that I could barely speak. My voice was shot all to hell and back. God's way of telling me to shut the fvck up, I know, but only now do I seem to have some consistent relief from it. Test results in WI are now taking forever. My last results took 5 days and its been 4 days since my last test and still no results.
 
alfablue said:
Just saw a CBS report that mentioned that on one day, South Dakota has had almost as many COVID deaths as they have flu deaths annually.
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That doesn't make sense. It just doesn't seem believable. They have 741 deaths since the start of the pandemic out of 864k people. The most deaths they've had in a day was 53. I don't believe for a second they have fewer than 53 annual flu deaths. Doesn't make sense.
 
I'm on Quest Diagnostic's mailing list for work and we just got another "potential delays in results due to high demand" notice.


On the bright side, Pfizer's EUA may be approved in about 2 1/2 weeks and they're saying they'll be shipping first doses within 48 hours. Which means, my group is frantically building all the records needed to administer them. For at least the first few months, the controls around them are crazy strict.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
That doesn't make sense. It just doesn't seem believable. They have 741 deaths since the start of the pandemic out of 864k people. The most deaths they've had in a day was 53. I don't believe for a second they have fewer than 53 annual flu deaths. Doesn't make sense.
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The CDC lumps flu and pneumonia together and those hover in the upper 100s/lower 200s. However, the state DPH itemizes:
https://doh.sd.gov/documents/diseases/flu/2018_19FluReport.pdf

Yes. More people are dying daily from COVID in SD than yearly from influenza.

Let that sink in.
 
SJHovey said:
Sounds like Minnesota is going to unveil some sort of tracking app for people's phones to be used in conjunction with tracking Covid. It'll be interesting to see what sort of buy in it gets from the public.
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It's been rolled out already. The tech been rolled out across the world for months. A few states already have it out. It should get 100% buy-in but will probably get a quarter of that. It's extremely secure and uses several, several layers of protection to obfuscate your identity. It doesn't even know who you are, doesn't require registration, and doesn't track your location. It's all based on handshakes between phones that change every 10-20 minutes. Those handshakes are deleted after 14 days.

Only if you report a code from a testing agency will it register a positive (to prevent fakes). Only then will it send a ping back to the database to all of your handshakes over the last 14 days. It doesn't send name, when the person was last in contact with you, where it took place, or any other info.

There isn't a single good reason to not download and use this app. NOT ONE.
 
So I pulled the numbers:

SD Flu Deaths:
18-19: 43
17-18: No data
16-17: 43
15-16: 9
14-15: 63
13-14: 12
12-13: 38
11-12: 17
10-11: 20
09-10: 24

For I&P mortality from the CDC:
2018: 245
17: 217
16: 195
15: 213
14: 181
05: 241

So they're burning through a year's worth of I&P every 8 days and a year of flu deaths every 1.x days. That is... terrifying.
 
alfablue said:
And given the reaction within the state, it's just going to get worse.

In the same CBS report I saw, they interviewed two people who were just about to go into a bar w/o masks. One of them was an RN who worked with COVID patients. Seriously, she was just about to go into a bar w/o a mask, with a bunch of other non mask wearing patrons. After the interview, they didn't though.

Then another guy who criticized himself for not wearing a mask.

People KNOW what the right thing to do is, but they refuse to do it. And they will defend their rights to kill fellow SD's to their death.

BTW, I'd bet you could find similar numbers for ND. I'm just too lazy to look it up, and just want to give up on that part of this country. They have a long way to go, but seeing that 0.1% of the population has already died with <10% of the population getting officially infected, well.... I really don't see it taking too long to get to 0.5% of the state population- with the hospitals so stuffed, the death rate is going to change, for sure.
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There’s a reason MN stands out from its neighbors in every single map you see. The border counties in outstate MN are bad, but the population centers are doing it right.

also, that RN story is fucking heartbreaking in all of the wrong ways
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
The trial design is key and in the case of Pfizer, I believe they covered everything. Besides the bare basics of being double blinded and controlled, they had their participants in several nations, across Age groups, ethnic groups, etc. so the participants would have been of a large cross section- some essential workers, some in schools, some in group homes, some in nations with no lockdown ..the key is in the control design .

the Class I had On study designs was one of the most interesting ones for me in the public health program
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Yes to all of this. It all comes down to having large numbers to randomly split into your control and test groups. The larger the study, the less likely it is that you will accidentally put all your nervous nellies in one group and your freedumb lovers in the other. As long as the overall group is carefully chosen to be representative of the population you are trying to test, randomness takes care of the rest.


I have a friend who was in the Pfizer trial (45,000 participants, I think?) and he said he was surprised by the complete lack of direction. They didn’t even explicitly tell participants to continue to act normally, they just let the participants make their own choices - exactly like the full population will, so then the trial gives you insight into how the vaccine will work in that normally-behaving population.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
So I pulled the numbers:

SD Flu Deaths:
18-19: 43
17-18: No data
16-17: 43
15-16: 9
14-15: 63
13-14: 12
12-13: 38
11-12: 17
10-11: 20
09-10: 24

For I&P mortality from the CDC:
2018: 245
17: 217
16: 195
15: 213
14: 181
05: 241

So they're burning through a year's worth of I&P every 8 days and a year of flu deaths every 1.x days. That is... terrifying.
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Im telling you...in three months we could invade SoDak and annex the land cause no one will be left to stop us. Send in some inner city youths and a couple large progressive suburbs and its all over!
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
And a delicious comeback to all the imbeciles who compare it to the flu
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These people could see bodies stacked up on the street who died from COVID and it wouldn't change a god d am n thing. They have dug in and will either never believe they were wrong or will never admit they were wrong. So either way they will never start doing the right things to mitigate the worst effects of the pandemic. People have had 9 months to decide to do the right thing. They deny they have COVID even as they are having tubes shoved down their throat to keep them alive. WE all suffer because people insist on their own facts or refuse to sack up and admit they were wrong.
 
rufus said:
Even once you do have a vaccine, its going to take months to produce, distribute, and innoculate enough people, and more months for the effects of having those people inoculated to ripple throughout the country before the spread of this even begins to tamper down.
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It will be interesting to see and follow. We can hope this is an “under promise and over deliver” situation. Latest I’ve seen is that front line workers and highest risk population could start reviving this in mid December. Between the 3 products it looks like that are saying they can have 60 million doses available by the end of 2020.

The AstraZeneca product can be shipped and stored at normal refrigerator temps which makes it quite a bit easier to distribute.

It won’t be like flipping a switch of course but as each week goes by with more and more people getting it, we should slowly be able to bend the curve In the right direction (assuming of course that masses don’t become more and more irresponsible as the vaccines begin to get distributed)
 
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