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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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The WH put pressure on the CDC to downplay the risks about kids going back to school...

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Chuck Murray said:
It's really not that complicated. Follow along slowly - take your time:

There is more testing; hence, there are more positive test outcomes (i.e. cases). Case-demic.

However, total hospitalizations AND deaths have been steadily going down for quite awhile now.

It's all in the data. I thought you guys believed science? Yet scientific data is to be ignored??

Jeb has been beating you guys upside the head for weeks now on this very simple difference.

No wonder why you're confused ...
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Hospitalizations in Mass up 25% in the last couple weeks. From what I’ve read the human body is better able to fight off sickness in warmer weather and as it starts to get colder don’t think we will be so fortunate as we have been over the summer.
 
Drew S. said:
Hospitalizations in Mass up 25% in the last couple weeks. From what I’ve read the human body is better able to fight off sickness in warmer weather and as it starts to get colder don’t think we will be so fortunate as we have been over the summer.
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That isn't the case at all. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2014/the-reason-for-the-season-why-flu-strikes-in-winter/

That's a decent primer, but specific to influenza (there are other theories, like in colder, drier air your mucus has a different viscosity that could be more or less "welcoming" to influenza, and allows it to easier penetrate you). Since COVID is still a novel virus we simply don't know if that is true. Some human coronaviruses are seasonal (although the jury is out as to whether that's simply related to human behavior or actual, biological factors). But the two viruses COVID is closest to - SARS And MERS - do not seem to be seasonal.
 
Swansong said:
That isn't the case at all. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2014/the-reason-for-the-season-why-flu-strikes-in-winter/

That's a decent primer, but specific to influenza (there are other theories, like in colder, drier air your mucus has a different viscosity that could be more or less "welcoming" to influenza, and allows it to easier penetrate you). Since COVID is still a novel virus we simply don't know if that is true. Some human coronaviruses are seasonal (although the jury is out as to whether that's simply related to human behavior or actual, biological factors). But the two viruses COVID is closest to - SARS And MERS - do not seem to be seasonal.
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I think we’re talking about two separate things. My point was if you contract Covid in January you are likely to have a worse outcome than if you get it in July, at least in the Northeast. We only have about 10 hours of daylight in winter and it’s cold so hard to get much fresh air and Vitamin D. Time will tell for sure, but I think people who live in cold weather areas would be wise to be extra cautious this winter.
 
Drew S. said:
I think we’re talking about two separate things. My point was if you contract Covid in January you are likely to have a worse outcome than if you get it in July, at least in the Northeast. We only have about 10 hours of daylight in winter and it’s cold so hard to get much fresh air and Vitamin D. Time will tell for sure, but I think people who live in cold weather areas would be wise to be extra cautious this winter.
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I see what you're saying, but even the Harvard link I added suggested that wasn't particularly well proven, and vitamin d intake (and it's impact on our immune system) is a matter of a lot of debate.
 
I think we discussed this back in February. Nobody has a definitive answer to why winter is worse.

Some think it’s the cold affecting the virus. Others think it’s the cold affecting the body. Or maybe it’s that we gather in confined spaces more during the winter.

I just think it’s a great mystery.
 
I tried to find the story from a "news source" that you would BELIEVE, and this link to a TV station is all that I could find. Appears that this is actually based upon REAL Scientific data on Corona virus SURVIVAL RATES as reported directly from the CDC. If you want to bash the other sources of the story that CAN be found as right wing hit pieces, have at it, but the base figures come from the CDC, so take it up with them.
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CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6% https://t.co/9RRLgsBHta


https://www.winknews.com/2020/09/23...-doctor-still-wants-to-see-precautions-taken/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

** If you feel the above figures are inaccurate, please feel free to post the REAL numbers for all to see

*** If CNN and MSNBC have the CORRECT version (or any mention) of the story on their site, please provide a link
 
Short term impacts from Covid can include: Lost wages, quality of life, mental well-being, hospital bills, logistical problems stemming from treatment/quarantining/managing a household with an infected resident, ability to attend school, etc.,. etc.

Survival rates also ignore long term health impacts, most of which stem not from lockdowns but from contracting the virus.

Fighting COVID-19 could cost 500 times as much as pandemic prevention measures

Effects of COVID-19 Pandemic on Productivity and Costs Statistics

Understanding the hidden costs of COVID-19’s potential impact on US healthcare

Long-Term Effects of COVID-19

COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects

Long-term effects of Covid-19

Long-term consequences of COVID-19: research needs

It's bad enough when you consider what we already know - and yet what we don't yet know could be even worse. Only a fool would ignore all of that and focus only on mortality rates.
 
In terms of long term affects, neurologist told me today that I likely have inflammation of the nervous system. Could last weeks or months they don’t know. Potentially could have spinal inflammation too but not enough signs point to that yet. I’ll go in for a nerve test that checks for guillen barre but she warned me it will take weeks to get in.

yay America.
 
First Time said:
Why are the deniers always obsessed with death?
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Huh? I am more obsessed with LIVING! 99.997% will LIVE, not die. Self projecting your true obsessions much?

Maybe I could draw the picture in much simpler terms. Your professor tells you that you have a 99.997% chance of getting an A. Sounds like you would rather hyper-focus on the fact that this also means you have a 0.003% chance of failing.

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Whalers said:
Huh? I am more obsessed with LIVING! 99.997% will LIVE, not die. Self projecting your true obsessions much?

Maybe I could draw the picture in much simpler terms. Your professor tells you that you have a 99.997% chance of getting an A. Sounds like you would rather hyper-focus on the fact that this also means you have a 0.003% chance of failing.

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The idiocy is strong with you...
 
What about the 50% or whatever of the country that will be effected by those deaths in some way? Just suck it up buttercup, Wall Street's calling? You didn't really love grandma anyway.

Anyway, what is it, something like 20 states now with rising cases? Congratulations, we're back to July, when Jebby was crowing then about how the hospitalization and death numbers were falling.

Its Groundhog Day all over again.
 
Just remember. When the ACA is gone in a month or so Covid will be a pre-existing condition listed on your insurance forms.

There’s a reason Donald Trump has never produced a health-care plan that protects consumers with preexisting medical conditions: Ending protections for the sick is the central mechanism that all GOP health-care proposals use to try to lower costs for the healthy.

Every alternative to the Affordable Care Act that Republicans have offered relies on the same strategy—retrenching the many ACA provisions that require greater risk- and cost-sharing between healthy and sick Americans—to lower the cost of insurance for healthier consumers. Put another way: Reducing protections for patients with greater health needs isn’t a bug in the GOP plans; it’s a key feature.

“Lowering premiums was a big theme of the Republican effort to repeal and replace the ACA, and central to their idea of lowering premiums was rolling back protections for people with preexisting conditions,” says Larry Levitt, the executive vice president for health policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/why-trump-has-no-real-health-care-plan/616523/
 
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