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Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1280537077558456320

"Forty-three hospital ICUs in 21 Florida counties have hit capacity and show zero beds available, according to the latest data."

Hannity was right we all owe DeSantis an apology. He definitely did it right.

edit: I see the TrumpBots are out and saying stuff like "ICUs are at 85-95% capacity normally" and "they arent all COVID cases". They also seem to not grasp that while it is great the death rate is (allegedly) falling death is not the only outcome of this disease.
 
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Handyman said:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1280537077558456320

"Forty-three hospital ICUs in 21 Florida counties have hit capacity and show zero beds available, according to the latest data."

Hannity was right we all owe DeSantis an apology. He definitely did it right.

edit: I see the TrumpBots are out and saying stuff like "ICUs are at 85-95% capacity normally" and "they arent all COVID cases". They also seem to not grasp that while it is great the death rate is (allegedly) falling death is not the only outcome of this disease.
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The other thing that they won't accept is that this is the two week delay from the massive increase in cases to them showing up in hospitals. Which means this is between the 13k/week and the 23k/week times of 3 and two weeks ago. Just wait until we get to the 50k/week that has been seen for two weeks now.

Also, the 85-95% capacity is that way only because someone thinks we should be making tons of money on sick people. If this were closer to the NHS, then the number of available beds would better reflect the ability to deal with pandemics. I really wonder how many beds we had over the decades relative to the population. The more we've lean toward for-profit hospitals, the less care we've all been able to get. Part of that are the rural hospitals that have closed because they didn't make money.

Why must EVERYTHING we do be a profit center? Why can't we just take care of people and break even- making sure that the people supplying the care are properly compensated for? I'm fine with skilled doctors making hundreds of thousands of dollars, I'm not for the manager of the hospital, moreso for the shareholders.
 
Handyman said:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1280537077558456320

"Forty-three hospital ICUs in 21 Florida counties have hit capacity and show zero beds available, according to the latest data."

Hannity was right we all owe DeSantis an apology. He definitely did it right.

edit: I see the TrumpBots are out and saying stuff like "ICUs are at 85-95% capacity normally" and "they arent all COVID cases". They also seem to not grasp that while it is great the death rate is (allegedly) falling death is not the only outcome of this disease.
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I don't think there is anything alleged about the death rate dropping. It is not sneaking up on anyone with a functioning brain anymore. March and April we were woefully unprepared. Now those most vulnerable are doing a better job protecting themselves, and long term care facilities are more prepared/being more careful. It is no less deadly, just affecting a less fragile part of the population right now. Jeb likes to throw out the avg age of those that have died, I'd love to see that by week. Are the lower deaths we're seeing now also lower ages? If anything that would make it worse, not better. Throwing allegedly in there just takes away from an otherwise good point. Not that anyone here doesn't either already agree or will never agree anyway....
 
jerphisch said:
I don't think there is anything alleged about the death rate dropping. It is not sneaking up on anyone with a functioning brain anymore. March and April we were woefully unprepared. Now those most vulnerable are doing a better job protecting themselves, and long term care facilities are more prepared/being more careful. It is no less deadly, just affecting a less fragile part of the population right now. Jeb likes to throw out the avg age of those that have died, I'd love to see that by week. Are the lower deaths we're seeing now also lower ages? If anything that would make it worse, not better. Throwing allegedly in there just takes away from an otherwise good point. Not that anyone here doesn't either already agree or will never agree anyway....
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I know in MN the average age was hovering around 82 and I believe the the average life expectancy in the country is about 78. Then you include the fact that 80% of deaths in MN have been in LTCF. It’s interesting when facts are pointed out and people get worked up about it.

People like Handy concern me and could legitimately be sick in the head. I no doubt can see him scrolling the twitter feeds hoping to find info that says death rates are going up not down.
 
jerphisch said:
I don't think there is anything alleged about the death rate dropping. It is not sneaking up on anyone with a functioning brain anymore. March and April we were woefully unprepared. Now those most vulnerable are doing a better job protecting themselves, and long term care facilities are more prepared/being more careful. It is no less deadly, just affecting a less fragile part of the population right now. Jeb likes to throw out the avg age of those that have died, I'd love to see that by week. Are the lower deaths we're seeing now also lower ages? If anything that would make it worse, not better. Throwing allegedly in there just takes away from an otherwise good point. Not that anyone here doesn't either already agree or will never agree anyway....
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Here's the thing- it's dropped in states that may have gotten through this, like New York and Michigan.

But when I go to Florida Dept of Health's page, https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...8ddedb9b25e429 I don't see it dropping. Again, watching this chart for a while now, the deaths listed within a week appear low, but they have been looking like that for 3 weeks straight now. And if you look at 1 and 2 weeks ago, you see the deaths either the same or slightly going up.

Telling me that the death rate isn't actually going down. It's either the same or going up, and there's a time lag in the data.

Mind you, this is in a state where they have publicly said that they are suppressing data.

States are quickly getting into a situation where resources are a real problem- which is exactly what happened in New York City and Detroit, and is the primary reason deaths were so high.

Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong pages. But where things have gotten out of control, where is there data to suggest that the death rate has gone down?
 
Handyman said:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1280537077558456320

"Forty-three hospital ICUs in 21 Florida counties have hit capacity and show zero beds available, according to the latest data."

Hannity was right we all owe DeSantis an apology. He definitely did it right.

edit: I see the TrumpBots are out and saying stuff like "ICUs are at 85-95% capacity normally" and "they arent all COVID cases". They also seem to not grasp that while it is great the death rate is (allegedly) falling death is not the only outcome of this disease.
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Yes, it sounds like you might want to learn how hospitals operate in regards to capacity.

https://mobile.twitter.com/aginnt/status/1280283864108163072

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1280221270043484160
 
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alfablue said:
Here's the thing- it's dropped in states that may have gotten through this, like New York and Michigan.

But when I go to Florida Dept of Health's page, https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...8ddedb9b25e429 I don't see it dropping. Again, watching this chart for a while now, the deaths listed within a week appear low, but they have been looking like that for 3 weeks straight now. And if you look at 1 and 2 weeks ago, you see the deaths either the same or slightly going up.

Telling me that the death rate isn't actually going down. It's either the same or going up, and there's a time lag in the data.

Mind you, this is in a state where they have publicly said that they are suppressing data.

States are quickly getting into a situation where resources are a real problem- which is exactly what happened in New York City and Detroit, and is the primary reason deaths were so high.

Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong pages. But where things have gotten out of control, where is there data to suggest that the death rate has gone down?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1280569134258905090

https://mobile.twitter.com/tantrix98/status/1280571793724637188/photo/1
 
jerphisch said:
I don't think there is anything alleged about the death rate dropping. It is not sneaking up on anyone with a functioning brain anymore. March and April we were woefully unprepared. Now those most vulnerable are doing a better job protecting themselves, and long term care facilities are more prepared/being more careful. It is no less deadly, just affecting a less fragile part of the population right now. Jeb likes to throw out the avg age of those that have died, I'd love to see that by week. Are the lower deaths we're seeing now also lower ages? If anything that would make it worse, not better. Throwing allegedly in there just takes away from an otherwise good point. Not that anyone here doesn't either already agree or will never agree anyway....
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We will know more in a couple of weeks. Plus I wont speak in absolutes when we know that Flo(R)ida at least (along with Texas and Arizona if the rumors are true) are flat out lying about how many are dying.

That said the death tolls are smaller even with that but that was why I used "allegedly" because we wont know for a while how bad they fudged the numbers.
 
That ICU capacity might always normally run at near capacity ignores the fact ICUs are currently, "under-utilized" from situations that would normally occur were society 100% open. Open everything up and boom...
 
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