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Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
That is the universal meaning of "Irish goodbye."
That is the universal meaning of "Irish goodbye."
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Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At It
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
The Hasidim are insane. They're "Jewish" the way Snake Handlers are "Christian."
The Hasidim are insane. They're "Jewish" the way Snake Handlers are "Christian."
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
The ultra orthodox and some orthodox will go. Most conservative, and I'm betting nearly all reform and reconstructionist will continue to observe from home.
The ultra orthodox and some orthodox will go. Most conservative, and I'm betting nearly all reform and reconstructionist will continue to observe from home.
leswp1
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Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
Not sure why high ceilings would help anything. Unless people are floating a the top of the building this does nothing to help a person. The virus is not attached to helium- it isn't going to float up and away from the participants.
Link below is best article I have seen- explains in simple terms (clearly necessary) what comprises risk, what is more or less risky and why and choices you can make to lessen risk.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...w-experts-rate-the-risks-of-14-summer-activit
Been seeing all sorts of posts on FB from leaders in most of the mainstream Faiths. All are declining to start up and some of them are very eloquent in pointing out that they are not doing so out of fear but out of caring. Article above has a great explanation about why this is not something that will work well- it goes beyond not being able to sing or hug. You have multiple people who are coming from many places and you have no control over how safe they have been. All this stuff about the expedited service I don't get. People participate in a service for a reason. I know some Catholics who go to Mass because not going is a Mortal Sin and if they are in the building 'it counts'. I would venture to guess most Faith leaders are more interested in doing something the right way then getting the participation trophy for letting small amounts of people wiz in and out of the building to say they have been there.
IMHO If you have strong Faith you shouldn't need a building to practice it. You can miss it, wish it was possible but it is not essential that you be in a building with others to prove your Faith. A good Faith leader is going to find a way to rally the community and actively support those struggling. Think of all those people who live in remote areas and maybe see a priest a couple of times a yr for Mass. Some of them are more faithful than people who go every week.
As far as the opening thing- It seems to me this breaks along the line between those who believe God is a loving God and those who believe God is angry and vindictive. The Loving God crew is expressing the it is important to be caring and do unto others. The expectation would be that sacrifice for others is for the greater good. It is morally and ethically wrong to do something that has a high likelihood of causing harm so stay home. So far I have heard this expressed by the Lutherans (our Synod has said no until at least July 1), the Methodists, the Episcopals, the Catholics, Jews*, Muslims and some of the Baptists, the UU and the Congregationalists.
Those who believe God is an angry,vindictive God seem to believe He is looking for any reason to catch you being bad, the only way to be pleasing to God is to follow all sorts of rules and expectations- Many of which are impossible to achieve. They seem to believe you are supposed willingly martyr yourself to prove your love of God and that is more important than remembering that God told us to love one another. Around here this is a few of the fringe Baptists, the Pentacostal Fundies and some of the independent mini churches that are of the Fundie bent.
*Listened to a Rabbi the other day saying that they have a tenet in their Faith that clearly states the sanctity of life supersedes any religious requirement for following the rules of the Faith. It would directly go against this directive to have Service. It had a name but I don't remember.
That saved some typing. Startling to realize the percentage of Americans who are completely clueless and isolated from legit news sources. Otherwise how can anyone not hear or read the discussions that are saturating legit media regarding why they are telling us how to do things? Mind boggling anyone would think people (outside the Orange Menace and his minions) is making anything up as they go. They are recommending best practices based on the current data. If the data shows different the recommendation changes. Not sure how this is so hard to fathom. Shows just how uneducated people are on scientific process.
Not sure why high ceilings would help anything. Unless people are floating a the top of the building this does nothing to help a person. The virus is not attached to helium- it isn't going to float up and away from the participants.
Link below is best article I have seen- explains in simple terms (clearly necessary) what comprises risk, what is more or less risky and why and choices you can make to lessen risk.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...w-experts-rate-the-risks-of-14-summer-activit
Been seeing all sorts of posts on FB from leaders in most of the mainstream Faiths. All are declining to start up and some of them are very eloquent in pointing out that they are not doing so out of fear but out of caring. Article above has a great explanation about why this is not something that will work well- it goes beyond not being able to sing or hug. You have multiple people who are coming from many places and you have no control over how safe they have been. All this stuff about the expedited service I don't get. People participate in a service for a reason. I know some Catholics who go to Mass because not going is a Mortal Sin and if they are in the building 'it counts'. I would venture to guess most Faith leaders are more interested in doing something the right way then getting the participation trophy for letting small amounts of people wiz in and out of the building to say they have been there.
IMHO If you have strong Faith you shouldn't need a building to practice it. You can miss it, wish it was possible but it is not essential that you be in a building with others to prove your Faith. A good Faith leader is going to find a way to rally the community and actively support those struggling. Think of all those people who live in remote areas and maybe see a priest a couple of times a yr for Mass. Some of them are more faithful than people who go every week.
As far as the opening thing- It seems to me this breaks along the line between those who believe God is a loving God and those who believe God is angry and vindictive. The Loving God crew is expressing the it is important to be caring and do unto others. The expectation would be that sacrifice for others is for the greater good. It is morally and ethically wrong to do something that has a high likelihood of causing harm so stay home. So far I have heard this expressed by the Lutherans (our Synod has said no until at least July 1), the Methodists, the Episcopals, the Catholics, Jews*, Muslims and some of the Baptists, the UU and the Congregationalists.
Those who believe God is an angry,vindictive God seem to believe He is looking for any reason to catch you being bad, the only way to be pleasing to God is to follow all sorts of rules and expectations- Many of which are impossible to achieve. They seem to believe you are supposed willingly martyr yourself to prove your love of God and that is more important than remembering that God told us to love one another. Around here this is a few of the fringe Baptists, the Pentacostal Fundies and some of the independent mini churches that are of the Fundie bent.
*Listened to a Rabbi the other day saying that they have a tenet in their Faith that clearly states the sanctity of life supersedes any religious requirement for following the rules of the Faith. It would directly go against this directive to have Service. It had a name but I don't remember.
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Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
I did the ultimate Irish goodbye in 2013, all in one week. Retired after 32 years at the rank of Fire Chief, went to Pittsburgh and watched Yale win it all, and then flew to Ireland for my retirement trip. I am blessed.
I did the ultimate Irish goodbye in 2013, all in one week. Retired after 32 years at the rank of Fire Chief, went to Pittsburgh and watched Yale win it all, and then flew to Ireland for my retirement trip. I am blessed.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
https://twitter.com/KFANRosen/status/1264398949206671360?s=19
People are just so ****ed stupid.
https://twitter.com/KFANRosen/status/1264398949206671360?s=19
People are just so ****ed stupid.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
I've dealt with Hasidim on the nude beach in NJ of all places, for the love of Christ.
They were all men, and kept their trunks on. They were very clearly just there to gawk, and not above asking for a non-existent cigarette as an excuse to gain a closer look at my companion. I ran them off with great vigor.
But, face it, every religion -all 3,000 of them- are just as bullsh*t as theirs.
I've dealt with Hasidim on the nude beach in NJ of all places, for the love of Christ.
They were all men, and kept their trunks on. They were very clearly just there to gawk, and not above asking for a non-existent cigarette as an excuse to gain a closer look at my companion. I ran them off with great vigor.
But, face it, every religion -all 3,000 of them- are just as bullsh*t as theirs.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
No worry. They are all young
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So it's memorial day weekend, where we honor the soldiers that died for all of us.
And it reminds me that we don't really care about the most important people in the history of our country right now. How many suicides have their been of vets? Especially ones recently? How much healthcare do we really give them? How do we, as a society, REALLY help these people actually live a normal life after they were willing to sacrifice everything for us?
Bearing in mind that the R party REALLY "loves" the military. They like to go out on weekends and pretend to be warriors, they are the majority of the gun owners who pretend to be tough, they are the ones who are using the threat of weapons to get their way. Watch the military channel sometime and pay attention to the commercials.
Other than clapping our hands for them at sporting events, we do nothing for our vets. Nothing. They die for us, and we clap our hands, they see their buddies die for us- thank you for your service, They commit suicide at a much higher rate than us- thank you for your service.
Is it really shocking that R's really don't care that people are dying at a very high rate, and they don't care? If it costs too much to provide physical and mental healthcare to the people they think they value the most, then there's no hope for the rest of us. Money over life.
Sorry about the rant, but I would still like to see our vets get real healthcare for the rest of their lives. Something they don't have to pay for at all. Even if they just rode a desk.
So it's memorial day weekend, where we honor the soldiers that died for all of us.
And it reminds me that we don't really care about the most important people in the history of our country right now. How many suicides have their been of vets? Especially ones recently? How much healthcare do we really give them? How do we, as a society, REALLY help these people actually live a normal life after they were willing to sacrifice everything for us?
Bearing in mind that the R party REALLY "loves" the military. They like to go out on weekends and pretend to be warriors, they are the majority of the gun owners who pretend to be tough, they are the ones who are using the threat of weapons to get their way. Watch the military channel sometime and pay attention to the commercials.
Other than clapping our hands for them at sporting events, we do nothing for our vets. Nothing. They die for us, and we clap our hands, they see their buddies die for us- thank you for your service, They commit suicide at a much higher rate than us- thank you for your service.
Is it really shocking that R's really don't care that people are dying at a very high rate, and they don't care? If it costs too much to provide physical and mental healthcare to the people they think they value the most, then there's no hope for the rest of us. Money over life.
Sorry about the rant, but I would still like to see our vets get real healthcare for the rest of their lives. Something they don't have to pay for at all. Even if they just rode a desk.
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A very fitting post, alfa. Well said.
A very fitting post, alfa. Well said.
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
One particular paragraph in this article is especially troubling.
When somewhere between 35%-40% simply do not believe anything that is coming from mainstream media nor the seasoned experts like Antony Fauci we cannot hope to have an effective battle against a pandemic anymore.
I listened to the North Dakota governor get emotional when he said we all need to do a better job understanding the motivations of each individual when it comes to deciding whether or not to wear a mask. He said you can't tell who someone voted for or what party they'll support based on whether or not they wear masks in public. This is more both sides bull5h!t. Even if you doubt the veracity of masks to offer any protection, wearing one certainly doesn't make things worse.
More and more I am becoming convinced that those who choose not to wear masks in public ARE making a political statement. (the exception being someone who cannot find or make one) Wearing a mask says at the very least I care enough about the person standing near me to do this. It might not help, it might help, but I care enough to try. Not wearing a mask can only say the person next to me doesn't matter, or the experts are all wrong, or I'm not letting the gubmint tell ME what to do (even though that is the very nature of every law ever passed that you yourself did not write). I don't see how one can logically draw any other conclusions, although I am willing to listen to someone try to convince me otherwise.
The exceptions are most likely to be conservatives or republicans, who of course are selfish cowards and live in fear, so they might mask up to protect themselves. But do you really believe there are a lot of progressives and died-in-the-wool liberals who are going to drug stores and grocery stores who are refusing to wear a mask? To me the mask has become, like seemingly everything else, another way we are dividing ourselves politically. I'm willing to bet consciously refusing to wear a mask in public is nearly as universal a political marker as someone wearing a MAGAt hat.
One particular paragraph in this article is especially troubling.
When somewhere between 35%-40% simply do not believe anything that is coming from mainstream media nor the seasoned experts like Antony Fauci we cannot hope to have an effective battle against a pandemic anymore.
I listened to the North Dakota governor get emotional when he said we all need to do a better job understanding the motivations of each individual when it comes to deciding whether or not to wear a mask. He said you can't tell who someone voted for or what party they'll support based on whether or not they wear masks in public. This is more both sides bull5h!t. Even if you doubt the veracity of masks to offer any protection, wearing one certainly doesn't make things worse.
More and more I am becoming convinced that those who choose not to wear masks in public ARE making a political statement. (the exception being someone who cannot find or make one) Wearing a mask says at the very least I care enough about the person standing near me to do this. It might not help, it might help, but I care enough to try. Not wearing a mask can only say the person next to me doesn't matter, or the experts are all wrong, or I'm not letting the gubmint tell ME what to do (even though that is the very nature of every law ever passed that you yourself did not write). I don't see how one can logically draw any other conclusions, although I am willing to listen to someone try to convince me otherwise.
The exceptions are most likely to be conservatives or republicans, who of course are selfish cowards and live in fear, so they might mask up to protect themselves. But do you really believe there are a lot of progressives and died-in-the-wool liberals who are going to drug stores and grocery stores who are refusing to wear a mask? To me the mask has become, like seemingly everything else, another way we are dividing ourselves politically. I'm willing to bet consciously refusing to wear a mask in public is nearly as universal a political marker as someone wearing a MAGAt hat.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do these people not believe that God was covering those who died from coronavirus? <a href="https://t.co/7WAm5iMaiX">pic.twitter.com/7WAm5iMaiX</a></p>— Eugene Scott (@Eugene_Scott) <a href="https://twitter.com/Eugene_Scott/status/1264564513657028608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do these people not believe that God was covering those who died from coronavirus? <a href="https://t.co/7WAm5iMaiX">pic.twitter.com/7WAm5iMaiX</a></p>— Eugene Scott (@Eugene_Scott) <a href="https://twitter.com/Eugene_Scott/status/1264564513657028608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Re: Covfefe-19 The 10th Part: Might As Well Reject No Shirt, No Shoes While You're At
Isn't Memorial Day celebrated to thank the vets?
I actually think that was where I finally gave up on NASCAR. During the pre-race of their Memorial Day weekend event some years ago Michael Waltrip went on and on about thanking the veterans and all our people serving in the military and all that they are doing "for us." It was clear that jacka ss did not know the actual meaning behind Memorial Day and what it was commemorating (or probably the other holidays we have to honor our veterans and those currently serving) and that he was just parroting the aspects of all our holidays that are geared toward commercialism and consuming. Americans are intellectually lazy fvckers.
Isn't Memorial Day celebrated to thank the vets?
I actually think that was where I finally gave up on NASCAR. During the pre-race of their Memorial Day weekend event some years ago Michael Waltrip went on and on about thanking the veterans and all our people serving in the military and all that they are doing "for us." It was clear that jacka ss did not know the actual meaning behind Memorial Day and what it was commemorating (or probably the other holidays we have to honor our veterans and those currently serving) and that he was just parroting the aspects of all our holidays that are geared toward commercialism and consuming. Americans are intellectually lazy fvckers.
And they had an American flag to ward off the evil spirits.
WeAreNDHockey
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If you believe in such an all-powerful god, why in the fvck don't you realize it was that god that invented the masks in the first place. You would think those idiots would realize that NOT wearing a mask that God created might **** the old guy off and earn you a one way ticket to the hot box.
If you believe in such an all-powerful god, why in the fvck don't you realize it was that god that invented the masks in the first place. You would think those idiots would realize that NOT wearing a mask that God created might **** the old guy off and earn you a one way ticket to the hot box.
bronconick
Yep, still here
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Veterans Day is for living vets. Memorial Day is for dead ones.
Veterans Day is for living vets. Memorial Day is for dead ones.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
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Preach!
Preach!
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