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Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

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My job of providing ABA therapy to autistic kids is considered "essential."

My coworkers and I are hitting HR with emails demanding hazard pay. I'm so proud of my coworkers!
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

My company today sent out an email, all salaried workers will be getting an extra hundred bucks a week for the time being, and hourly workers an extra $2/hour. And they may revisit this and adjust as circumstances warrant.
 
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I'm apparently receiving 1.25x my normal salary during the quarantine so yay?
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

Can a doctor write a(ny) script for themselves? Should they?

It gets complicated and there is a lot of misunderstandings out there. Ethics and the law will vary (and there is some state to state variance). Essentially, I can legally write a script for (nearly) anything. I can also write for family and friends. The prescription pad is a huge power but with great power...never mind. Now there are checks, for instance, the pharmacist should not fill what they feel are inappropriate scripts. Insurance will also not cover things that are wildly inappropriate. There are also medical-legal implications if you do not document correctly (you have to physically see a patient to write a script with few exceptions). What are you going to do, keep a word document with your plan for your wife? (I actually know of some doctors who do this...)

However, many of our boards (both state and specialty) will have further ethical guidelines and they can strip you of your license or board certification. I support strict punishment for these transgressions but I am probably in the minority.

Another thing that is often misinterpreted is "FDA approval." Once a medication is FDA approved, a physician can use it "off label" for many things (does not mean insurance will cover it). For example, in my field, the diseases we see are very rare. Most of our medications are shown effective in small studies, thus the medications are not FDA approved for the indication (it is not financially beneficial for the company to seek approval another indication) however we get insurance to cover the medications because they are shown effective in the literature and there are no alternatives. Some very common med are used much more off-label than their "FDA approved" indication.

Sorry...kind of long winded with a lot of caveats.

Basically:
1. We can already prescribe hydroxychloroquine off label right now if we wanted.
2. There is no evidence supporting this use at this time, thus I would not prescribe it as one does not know the risk profile. Real trials are underway. Those who prescribe it now are reckless in my and more importantly several infectious disease experts I trust opinion.
3. You can prescribe to yourself and family but it is ethically dubious. I do not see friends or family on principle (I will get people in to see colleagues).
 
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Listen, ask any old person if they're willing to be ground into an edible paste to save their grandkids, and they'll do it at a heartbeat.

But will they die for Jared and Ivanka's kids' trust fund? Cuz that's what this is about.

joe's on board, but who else?
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

It gets complicated and there is a lot of misunderstandings out there. Ethics and the law will vary (and there is some state to state variance). Essentially, I can legally write a script for (nearly) anything. I can also write for family and friends. The prescription pad is a huge power but with great power...never mind. Now there are checks, for instance, the pharmacist should not fill what they feel are inappropriate scripts. Insurance will also not cover things that are wildly inappropriate. There are also medical-legal implications if you do not document correctly (you have to physically see a patient to write a script with few exceptions). What are you going to do, keep a word document with your plan for your wife? (I actually know of some doctors who do this...)

However, many of our boards (both state and specialty) will have further ethical guidelines and they can strip you of your license or board certification. I support strict punishment for these transgressions but I am probably in the minority.

Another thing that is often misinterpreted is "FDA approval." Once a medication is FDA approved, a physician can use it "off label" for many things (does not mean insurance will cover it). For example, in my field, the diseases we see are very rare. Most of our medications are shown effective in small studies, thus the medications are not FDA approved for the indication (it is not financially beneficial for the company to seek approval another indication) however we get insurance to cover the medications because they are shown effective in the literature and there are no alternatives. Some very common med are used much more off-label than their "FDA approved" indication.

Sorry...kind of long winded with a lot of caveats.

Basically:
1. We can already prescribe hydroxychloroquine off label right now if we wanted.
2. There is no evidence supporting this use at this time, thus I would not prescribe it as one does not know the risk profile. Real trials are underway. Those who prescribe it now are reckless in my and more importantly several infectious disease experts I trust opinion.
3. You can prescribe to yourself and family but it is ethically dubious. I do not see friends or family on principle (I will get people in to see colleagues).

I love that you post on this board. Thank you. Great reply.
 
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A NY Doctor shared with Hannity his Hydroxy Chloroquine/Azithromycin results.
200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine
500mg 1x daily Azithromycin
220mg 1x daily Zinc sulfate

350 patients
• Breathing restored 3-4 hours
• Zero deaths
• Zero hospitalizations
• Zero intubations
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

A NY Doctor shared with Hannity his Hydroxy Chloroquine/Azithromycin results.
200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine
500mg 1x daily Azithromycin
220mg 1x daily Zinc sulfate

350 patients
• Breathing restored 3-4 hours
• Zero deaths
• Zero hospitalizations
• Zero intubations

Hannity. Your source is Hannity. YAWN.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

A NY Doctor shared with Hannity his Hydroxy Chloroquine/Azithromycin results.
200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine
500mg 1x daily Azithromycin
220mg 1x daily Zinc sulfate

350 patients
• Breathing restored 3-4 hours
• Zero deaths
• Zero hospitalizations
• Zero intubations

So, we're doing medicine by National Enquirer now.

<img src="https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/styles/scale_w1024/s3/static/D8Image/2020/03/15/nationalenquirer-coronaviruscover.jpg?itok=iST-gfxR" height=300 >
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

A NY Doctor shared with Hannity his Hydroxy Chloroquine/Azithromycin results.
200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine
500mg 1x daily Azithromycin
220mg 1x daily Zinc sulfate

350 patients
• Breathing restored 3-4 hours
• Zero deaths
• Zero hospitalizations
• Zero intubations

Notable ommissions:
Control data
Confirmation of Covid-19 in these patients
Blinding
Population statistics of people treated

Also what the **** does "breathing restored" mean. Honestly. This is typical quack language. Use vague language to describe what should be an well-defined variable and miraculously it is improved.

Wait for the people who know how to run a ****ing trial to take a swing. This is fast-tracked and turnaround will be quite quick.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

A NY Doctor shared with Hannity his Hydroxy Chloroquine/Azithromycin results.
200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine
500mg 1x daily Azithromycin
220mg 1x daily Zinc sulfate

350 patients
• Breathing restored 3-4 hours
• Zero deaths
• Zero hospitalizations
• Zero intubations

WHat's the control? Did he only give them to young patients? Women? How long had they been hospitalized? Are there commodities? How many? How severe? How severe was the current infection? What side-effects? How severe?

Breathing restored? Zero hospitalizations my ****ing ***. How do those two statements even come close to meshing?
 
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Nonsense, you will finish farther left than I. Not only are you smart but you actually like people.

I had a great reply typed up to this. It somehow didn't post.

Interesting theory. You might be right. Except the people part.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

A NY Doctor shared with Hannity his Hydroxy Chloroquine/Azithromycin results.
200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine
500mg 1x daily Azithromycin
220mg 1x daily Zinc sulfate

350 patients
• Breathing restored 3-4 hours
• Zero deaths
• Zero hospitalizations
• Zero intubations

Nothing wrong with this optimism. Even if they can find a subset of patients this is valuable for it will save ventilator time for others.
 
Re: Covfefe-19 - Part 4- Stay the **** Home

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A week ago, New York state had 87 detected coronavirus cases per 1m citizens<br><br>Here's where a lot of Southern states are *today*... the number of *detected* cases.<br><br>LA: 298 per 1m<br>MS: 107 per 1m<br>TN: 98 per 1m<br>GA: 98 per 1m<br>AR: 72 per 1m<br>FL: 66 per 1m<br>SC: 59 per 1m<br>AL: 44 per 1m</p>— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href="https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1242582356499857409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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