Covfefe 19: now in 3D

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: Covfefe 19: now in 3D

Are restaurants really staying open for takeout? I’d think a lot of them make their money on alcohol sales so curious

 

[Twitch Boy]

Re: Covfefe 19: now in 3D

Are restaurants really staying open for takeout? I’d think a lot of them make their money on alcohol sales so curious

IIRC it's meant to give extra support to grocery stores - another avenue for people to stay fed.

 

[SJHovey]

IIRC it's meant to give extra support to grocery stores - another avenue for people to stay fed.

Something like 1 out of 12 private sector employees work in restaurants. You put all of them out of a job today and Covid 19 is the least of your problems.

 

[joecct]

IIRC it's meant to give extra support to grocery stores - another avenue for people to stay fed.

Stop & Shop (Northeast) is having senior citizen hours from 6 - 730 every morning.

Hopefully their sister company, Giant (Mid Atlantic), will do the same thing.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Something like 1 out of 12 private sector employees work in restaurants. You put all of them out of a job today and Covid 19 is the least of your problems.

I agree, I was wondering if owners could afford to keep open on delivery alone

 

[SJHovey]

I agree, I was wondering if owners could afford to keep open on delivery alone

My guess is “some” can. Obviously fast food places will be relatively fine. Others might be able to ramp up a take out business. Fine dining, probably not.

My concern is that with mass layoffs, eating out may not be an option, unless you want Mickey D’s every day.

 

[MissThundercat]

My guess is “some” can. Obviously fast food places will be relatively fine. Others might be able to ramp up a take out business. Fine dining, probably not.

My concern is that with mass layoffs, eating out may not be an option, unless you want Mickey D’s every day.

I think your chains can stay open. Wednesday, I'll be driving for Door Dash and I want to see how much money I can get.

I also know DD is offering "no contact" delivery, where I set the food on the porch, take a picture, text it to the customer, and wait off to the side until they pick it up.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Covfefe 19: now in 3D

A friend asked me an interesting question today, one for which I didn't really have an answer. It's something I'm going to have to think about.

The question is this. What's the number? Let's say that with all of the "medicine" the U.S. is taking right now (massive closings of schools and businesses, complete economic meltdown in the country, social and economic cost associated with mass layoffs, interrupted educations, etc...) we end up with a death toll of say 30,000, nine or ten times what China has experienced thus far.

Is it worth it?

Let's say that without the medicine, the death toll would be 150,000 in this country. Is the medicine worth it?

Years ago when I took a Grad course in Public Health Policy they made us research something like this. I can't remember all of it but there are some things to think about past the actual death. Same for when you deal with issues to do with lack of insurance causing bad outcome. (our case study was give the person medical care/meds but here it could be preventing catching it)
You have to consider the following-
-the critically ill do not just die. They usually use a lot of resources before they die- $$$
-if working the death causes expense for the place they work- disburse anything owed, pay to deal with administrative tasks involved in paying that out, pay to train a new person
-Beyond the direct cost you have other concerns for family-
-cost the funeral, burial, any medical bills, legal costs involved in end of life/ post death
-cost of care if person takes some time to die. Most families have at least one member who experiences lost wages/disruption of ability to work when loved one is sick
-lost income the person provided
-lost person to share responsibilities like child care, maintaining house/shopping, cooking, other domestic stuff
Add to this multiple people in family could be impacted with the same illness so you have all this compounded

This is compared to the cost of prevention-
- give care and eat the cost of medication, office visits in our case
-this- people stay out of work but prevent multiple illness at once.
-less long term impact because you haven't lost your work force,
-dead people do not have the ability to recover and re-enter the work force

 

[SJHovey]

Years ago when I took a Grad course in Public Health Policy they made us research something like this. I can't remember all of it but there are some things to think about past the actual death. Same for when you deal with issues to do with lack of insurance causing bad outcome. (our case study was give the person medical care/meds but here it could be preventing catching it)
You have to consider the following-
-the critically ill do not just die. They usually use a lot of resources before they die- $$$
-if working the death causes expense for the place they work- disburse anything owed, pay to deal with administrative tasks involved in paying that out, pay to train a new person
-Beyond the direct cost you have other concerns for family-
-cost the funeral, burial, any medical bills, legal costs involved in end of life/ post death
-cost of care if person takes some time to die. Most families have at least one member who experiences lost wages/disruption of ability to work when loved one is sick
-lost income the person provided
-lost person to share responsibilities like child care, maintaining house/shopping, cooking, other domestic stuff
Add to this multiple people in family could be impacted with the same illness so you have all this compounded

This is compared to the cost of prevention-
- give care and eat the cost of medication, office visits in our case
-this- people stay out of work but prevent multiple illness at once.
-less long term impact because you haven't lost your work force,
-dead people do not have the ability to recover and re-enter the work force

Yep. A lot of factors. That’s why I’m not sure I have an answer.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

My guess is “some” can. Obviously fast food places will be relatively fine. Others might be able to ramp up a take out business. Fine dining, probably not.

My concern is that with mass layoffs, eating out may not be an option, unless you want Mickey D’s every day.

James beard winner Gavin keyson is going to try and run take out from one of his fine dining places. Hope it works

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Went to buy groceries today, and it was interesting to see what was still well-stocked versus what looked like store shelves in 40 year-old pics from the Eastern Bloc.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Covfefe 19: now in 3D

Yep. A lot of factors. That’s why I’m not sure I have an answer.

That doesn't factor in that people are not always accepting of the logical choices that should be made

 

[Handyman]

You mean deaths, right?

****it it was 4400 my phone autocorrected.

 

[ticapnews]

Re: Covfefe 19: now in 3D

We need some good news

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH: Bob visited his wife daily before coronavirus resulted in a ban on nursing home visitors, so on their anniversary he stood outside her window with a sign. <a href="https://t.co/B3RfgrocAT">https://t.co/B3RfgrocAT</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1239700245107310600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last week I told you about Laurie Smith who couldn’t visit her mother in hospice. Many nursing homes have been on lockdown with the spread of Coronavirus. Today she sent me an update. The family was able to visit, although not in the normal way. Look at that smile! <a href="https://twitter.com/WKRN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WKRN</a> <a href="https://t.co/XfZpgQdUW4">pic.twitter.com/XfZpgQdUW4</a></p>— WKRN Brent Remadna (@RemadnaWKRN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RemadnaWKRN/status/1239290389586116610?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A creative way to be able to continue to visit people who are in Nursing Homes: <a href="https://t.co/H2lGQRvvX9">pic.twitter.com/H2lGQRvvX9</a></p>— Steven Vincent (@living_steven) <a href="https://twitter.com/living_steven/status/1239614528893132800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[alfablue]

Re: Covfefe 19: now in 3D

Years ago when I took a Grad course in Public Health Policy they made us research something like this. I can't remember all of it but there are some things to think about past the actual death. Same for when you deal with issues to do with lack of insurance causing bad outcome. (our case study was give the person medical care/meds but here it could be preventing catching it)
You have to consider the following-
-the critically ill do not just die. They usually use a lot of resources before they die- $$$
-if working the death causes expense for the place they work- disburse anything owed, pay to deal with administrative tasks involved in paying that out, pay to train a new person
-Beyond the direct cost you have other concerns for family-
-cost the funeral, burial, any medical bills, legal costs involved in end of life/ post death
-cost of care if person takes some time to die. Most families have at least one member who experiences lost wages/disruption of ability to work when loved one is sick
-lost income the person provided
-lost person to share responsibilities like child care, maintaining house/shopping, cooking, other domestic stuff
Add to this multiple people in family could be impacted with the same illness so you have all this compounded

This is compared to the cost of prevention-
- give care and eat the cost of medication, office visits in our case
-this- people stay out of work but prevent multiple illness at once.
-less long term impact because you haven't lost your work force,
-dead people do not have the ability to recover and re-enter the work force

Seems like that also does not count the toll on the health care workers, too. Get it or not, the amount of burden on them if nothing is done will be like a war zone, for months straight.

It also does not account IF a new structure is required to house all of the sick people- many of which will get better- so not treating them isn't an option. But one should factor in the future productivity loss of the people who end up with long term lingering issues due to lack of care if that's the limit.

The one factor that nobody seems to want to accept as a major economic cost is the last part.

On the flip side- we actually do have an example of the economy recovering after what will end up being a much worse world wide disaster. And they didn't call them the roaring 20's for nothing.

 

[RENCEB]

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My wife is a PT at a satellite location of a hospital west of Boston. Her caseload includes mainly elderly patients with multiple health issues (comorbidities for you, leswp1!). Both she and I are incredulous that they are still open. She's contacting her patients to review the exercise routines she gave them to do at home. She's going to use up all of her accrued sick and vacation time to be out the next 3 weeks. 100% agree with her.

 

[state of hockey]

We need some good news

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH: Bob visited his wife daily before coronavirus resulted in a ban on nursing home visitors, so on their anniversary he stood outside her window with a sign. <a href="https://t.co/B3RfgrocAT">https://t.co/B3RfgrocAT</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1239700245107310600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last week I told you about Laurie Smith who couldn’t visit her mother in hospice. Many nursing homes have been on lockdown with the spread of Coronavirus. Today she sent me an update. The family was able to visit, although not in the normal way. Look at that smile! <a href="https://twitter.com/WKRN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WKRN</a> <a href="https://t.co/XfZpgQdUW4">pic.twitter.com/XfZpgQdUW4</a></p>— WKRN Brent Remadna (@RemadnaWKRN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RemadnaWKRN/status/1239290389586116610?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A creative way to be able to continue to visit people who are in Nursing Homes: <a href="https://t.co/H2lGQRvvX9">pic.twitter.com/H2lGQRvvX9</a></p>— Steven Vincent (@living_steven) <a href="https://twitter.com/living_steven/status/1239614528893132800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A message from me and my dad, <a href="https://twitter.com/MelBrooks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Melbrooks</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/coronavirus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#coronavirus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DontBeASpreader?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DontBeASpreader</a> <a href="https://t.co/Hqhc4fFXbe">pic.twitter.com/Hqhc4fFXbe</a></p>— Max Brooks (@maxbrooksauthor) <a href="https://twitter.com/maxbrooksauthor/status/1239624352305303552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ticapnews]

Re: Covfefe 19: now in 3D

Sniffles tests positive for Covfefe-19

 

[BassAle]

IIRC it's meant to give extra support to grocery stores - another avenue for people to stay fed.

They should be taking temperatures of everyone that is working in the kitchen when they show up for their shift.

1 infected person in a busy kitchen = total disaster.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Covfefe 19: now in 3D

My wife is a PT at a satellite location of a hospital west of Boston. Her caseload includes mainly elderly patients with multiple health issues (comorbidities for you, leswp1!). Both she and I are incredulous that they are still open. She's contacting her patients to review the exercise routines she gave them to do at home. She's going to use up all of her accrued sick and vacation time to be out the next 3 weeks. 100% agree with her.

She has a possible exposure and needs to self quarantine
Smart choice

Sniffles tests positive for Covfefe-19

Dam you! Been reading this title so long my brain read it as the real deal.

Lowell now has active cases right down the street from my folks and FIL. They work in a store. FIL is a dope- he isn't going to stop living his life. He has cardiac, respiratory issues and is >80. The Bro in law called in a panic this AM because the FIL was heading to the market. mr les called. Heated conversation ensued. Heis going out. Called lil not so lil les to give his grandfather a ring and offer to bring food. He was shrugged off. Hoping he has an angel on his shoulder instead of going to the angels.