Covfefe-19: Do What Now?

[Handyman]

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This isn't getting old.

It is by far, the best part of Veep which is the highest of compliments because everything on that show was genius! When Jonah has rallies and the guy just always yells out "Kill her!" it is just so perfect for the country we live in now.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I heard the swans and dolphins thing was fake.

 

[leswp1]

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The canals in Venice have swans, dolphins and other animals swimming in them because there is no boats. My guess is this quarantine is going to lower lots of levels of various pollutions over the next 18 months. This is the Earth showing us who is boss.

When Atlanta held the Olympics they shut down a lot of traffic. The ERs had demonstrably less full of patients with Pulmonary conditions. They restarted things and there was a sudden influx. Back to 'normal'.

Maybe this sudden decrease in all the pollutants will be helpful for some. Too bad they are telling people to stay away unless they think they are dying. Otherwise you could probably get some amazing numbers showing what the difference of allowing particulate matter and all the other crud into the air does compared to encouraging decreases.

 

[ticapnews]

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The canals in Venice have swans, dolphins and other animals swimming in them because there is no boats. My guess is this quarantine is going to lower lots of levels of various pollutions over the next 18 months. This is the Earth showing us who is boss.

People: There's no way we can reduce carbon emissions and save the planet from climate change!
Mother Nature: Here's a virus. Practice.

 

[Handyman]

I heard the swans and dolphins thing was fake.

Might be...but the pictures of the canals themselves looked much cleaner

My overall point still stands though. The Earth will be better off. Just look at what happened in Jhina

 

[alfablue]

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People: There's no way we can reduce carbon emissions and save the planet from climate change!
Mother Nature: Here's a virus. Practice.

Technically, the issues that are clearing up have nothing to do with CO2, but with HC, NOx and CO, as well as other bad chemicals. So in that respect, it kind of confirms the Obama admin changes to keep lowering the emissions. I'm sure Wuhan also points that out.

That being said, it would be very interesting to see CO2 changes over the last few weeks, to see what the global effect would be- since we are pretty sure of the climate change around that. Especially with the scrambling the USSR and Saudi Arabia is doing wrt oil production.

The sad thing is that the idea of "thoughts and prayers" will overwhelm the scientific evidence that we can go farther than we are currently going- which shows that cleaner is actually better.

 

[state of hockey]

It is by far, the best part of Veep which is the highest of compliments because everything on that show was genius! When Jonah has rallies and the guy just always yells out "Kill her!" it is just so perfect for the country we live in now.

I love seeing interviews with the guy that played Jonah. Very informative and hilarious.

 

[psych]

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What about New Jersey? 890 positive cases on 1240 tests?

Again, I don’t doubt Southerners are going to get hit harder, based on being unhealthier on almost every measurable metric. I just don’t think, at this point right now, (not two weeks or two months from now), that all southern states are already getting behind on testing. or aren’t doing enough testing, etc. No need to demonize Southerners for making the US look bad yet.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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What about New Jersey? 890 positive cases on 1240 tests?

Again, I don’t doubt Southerners are going to get hit harder, based on being unhealthier on almost every measurable metric. I just don’t think, at this point right now, (not two weeks or two months from now), that all southern states are already getting behind on testing. or aren’t doing enough testing, etc. No need to demonize Southerners for making the US look bad yet.

They also have significantly fewer hospital and ICU beds.

Pretty easy to demonize them, they give us lots of options. From Florida reps going out and partying or wearing gas masks, churches staying open in defiance of orders, politicians rejecting healthcare funding in Missouri, claiming this is a hoax, etc.

All you have to do is look at testing rates per capita. Blue states are way ahead even if you take away California, Washington, and New York. The lone bright spot has been Ohio. Their governor has been way way ahead of the curve.

 

[Handyman]

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Someone on Cuomos staff tested positive...

 

[state of hockey]

They also have significantly fewer hospital and ICU beds.

Pretty easy to demonize them, they give us lots of options. From Florida reps going out and partying or wearing gas masks, churches staying open in defiance of orders, politicians rejecting healthcare funding in Missouri, claiming this is a hoax, etc.

All you have to do is look at testing rates per capita. Blue states are way ahead even if you take away California, Washington, and New York. The lone bright spot has been Ohio. Their governor has been way way ahead of the curve.

I still wish MN didn't have to scale back on testing, even though I understand why they did it.

 

[joecct]

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Have a feeling Maryland is going to a lockdown in the next week.

Schools are being told to prepare for distance learning and get chromebooks in the hands of as many people as possible.

 

[ticapnews]

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[leswp1]

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What about New Jersey? 890 positive cases on 1240 tests?

Again, I don’t doubt Southerners are going to get hit harder, based on being unhealthier on almost every measurable metric. I just don’t think, at this point right now, (not two weeks or two months from now), that all southern states are already getting behind on testing. or aren’t doing enough testing, etc. No need to demonize Southerners for making the US look bad yet.

This has nothing to do with demonizing. It has to do with record on markers to do with outcomes for multiple chronic illnesses and availability of care. Some southern states have numbers that are worse than parts of Africa. This has been true since I was in Grad School back in the 80s. Sadly it hasn't changed. Right from the beginning it was shown that the rate of fatality is dependent on availability of care. (Think Italy- they are out of beds, supplies and are now letting people die who may have been saved because they don't have the stuff to save them). The South doesn't show well before the epidemic. It won't show well after.

 

[leswp1]

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THe most ironic thing and the thing that shows humans can't learn- what city was used to show that successfully shutting down public events decreased fatality in 1918- Yup- New Orleans.

 

[ticapnews]

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She's committed to the hoax.

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[psych]

They also have significantly fewer hospital and ICU beds.

Pretty easy to demonize them, they give us lots of options. From Florida reps going out and partying or wearing gas masks, churches staying open in defiance of orders, politicians rejecting healthcare funding in Missouri, claiming this is a hoax, etc.

All you have to do is look at testing rates per capita. Blue states are way ahead even if you take away California, Washington, and New York. The lone bright spot has been Ohio. Their governor has been way way ahead of the curve.

Except, when I did the math, Ohio is testing only 1 out of every 21,234 citizens, good for third worst, behind Alabama (every 44,954) and Maryland (every 24,961). I admit I’m guilty of praising DeWine too, as he has been ahead of the curve on a lot. He still deserves credit, but how is testing any state’s fault? How are we blaming particular states when the tests are just now finally getting sent out in great enough quantities, with great enough materials, to actually allow states to test?
Anyways, the best is Washington, testing 1 out of every 367 citizens. 2nd is New Mexico, 1 out of every 551, and Maine is third, 1 out of every 560.

I used politico (I know it’s behind Johns Hopkins but close enough) and 2019 population estimate from Wikipedia, with slight rounding, like 7,890,913 becoming 7.9 million. I’ll try to finish the analysis shortly with red vs. blue states.

 

[psych]

This has nothing to do with demonizing. It has to do with record on markers to do with outcomes for multiple chronic illnesses and availability of care. Some southern states have numbers that are worse than parts of Africa. This has been true since I was in Grad School back in the 80s. Sadly it hasn't changed. Right from the beginning it was shown that the rate of fatality is dependent on availability of care. (Think Italy- they are out of beds, supplies and are now letting people die who may have been saved because they don't have the stuff to save them). The South doesn't show well before the epidemic. It won't show well after.

Right now, in this moment, states who have amazing healthcare systems and healthy people are getting overwhelmed. Are we blaming New York for running out of supplies or tests, etc.? No.
Look, we’re talking past each other, and it’s no big thing, it’s just a message board. I don’t disagree the South isn’t going to get creamed by this, but so are wonderful, progressive states with robust healthcare systems like New York. We’re ALL suffering from this, not just southern states.

 

[leswp1]

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Right now, in this moment, states who have amazing healthcare systems and healthy people are getting overwhelmed. Are we blaming New York for running out of supplies or tests, etc.? No.
Look, we’re talking past each other, and it’s no big thing, it’s just a message board. I don’t disagree the South isn’t going to get creamed by this, but so are wonderful, progressive states with robust healthcare systems like New York. We’re ALL suffering from this, not just southern states.

I don't look at as blame so much as failure to invest in healthcare period. It really isn't a matter of passing judgment but predicting outcome. Wuhan showed that they had a much higher rate of bad outcome because the healthcare system was overwhelmed. The outlying counties fared better. In areas of highly concentrated population the outcomes will be bad. In areas without a system it will be bad. In areas with high comorbidity it will be bad. The South has a few strikes against- less beds and more comorbidity.

I wasn't looking at it in number of tests being done. I missed that was what you were doing. I hadn't really considered doing that. I was thinking more of fatalities and deaths in relation to positive tests. Not sure its going to be a great measure to look at ratio of test/positive results/fatalities. The test availability os to variable. The states that were first hit didn't really have access and there are still states that don't have access.

My immediate thought was the higher numbers positive/test were sure screening in the right people to test. At this point test/fatalities may be that the tests being done are screening in more accurately for probable disease and the places less positives are testing with less stringent protocols and testing more who are likely to be negative. Of course the way to prevent is to figure out disease burden by testing everyone but really not many places capable of that yet.

Edited because I was incoherent!

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Right now, in this moment, states who have amazing healthcare systems and healthy people are getting overwhelmed. Are we blaming New York for running out of supplies or tests, etc.? No.
Look, we’re talking past each other, and it’s no big thing, it’s just a message board. I don’t disagree the South isn’t going to get creamed by this, but so are wonderful, progressive states with robust healthcare systems like New York. We’re ALL suffering from this, not just southern states.

The difference is, they voted for it. We didn't.