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Covfefe-19: Do What Now?

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geezer said:
I think the argument from some (not me) is that it’s going to be everywhere eventually, and kill who it kills, so why inflict all this damage to my stock portfolio trying to fight it? (Answer: a vaccine will eventually be available if we could slow it down dramatically)
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If you're being facetious, my hat is off to you, sir. You should be working for The Onion.
 
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BassAle said:
it could be at least 12-18 months realistically for something to be widely available even if we race to get something in clinical trials in the next couple months
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As I understand it a trial has already started in Seattle?
 
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BassAle said:
it could be at least 12-18 months realistically for something to be widely available even if we race to get something in clinical trials in the next couple months
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And if we phuck this up and rush it before its ready...
 
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geezer said:
I think the argument from some (not me) is that it’s going to be everywhere eventually, and kill who it kills, so why inflict all this damage to my stock portfolio trying to fight it? (Answer: a vaccine will eventually be available if we could slow it down dramatically)
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I'm not arguing that we should discontinue efforts to combat the disease or its spread. But the rest of it is dead on. The disease is going to kill many people who are old and have underlying conditions and an astronomical majority of the rest of us are going to survive it just fine. Those are the facts.
 
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ticapnews said:
And if we phuck this up and rush it before its ready...
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The USG is a sh-tshow but the people actually doing the medical science are competent. Also, other countries with adult leaders are working it.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'm not arguing that we should discontinue efforts to combat the disease or its spread. But the rest of it is dead on. The disease is going to kill many people who are old and have underlying conditions and an astronomical majority of the rest of us are going to survive it just fine. Those are the facts.
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I may be completely naive but I still can't see it having any decisive effect on our overall demographics. To do that it would need to be similar to the 1916 flu. That infected 27% of the global population and killed between 2-5%. That would translate today to 2 billion infected and 150-400 million dead. Basically, a medium sized nuclear war.
 
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SJHovey said:
Kind of like your demands that we kill Big Pharma (but only after they come up with a vaccine, right?)
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CNBC had some big pharmaceutical CEO on talking about his team's efforts and the CEO said "As you know, there's no profit in this for us to do, we're just doing it for the good of humanity."

Like... could the quiet parts have been said any louder that his company is only in it for the profits?
 
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geezer said:
I think the argument from some (not me) is that it’s going to be everywhere eventually, and kill who it kills, so why inflict all this damage to my stock portfolio trying to fight it? (Answer: a vaccine will eventually be available if we could slow it down dramatically)
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That needs to be compared to the cost of overwhelming the healthcare system- including the additional deaths due to lack of care.

S Korea had a low death rate- which could be the "treat all people" number vs the numbers out of Wuhan, Iran, and Italy (so far).

I think we are seeing that the real issue is that people can survive if they have proper treatment, but not so much if they don't. So the actions we are doing is to make sure if you are sick, you can get the help.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'm not arguing that we should discontinue efforts to combat the disease or its spread. But the rest of it is dead on. The disease is going to kill many people who are old and have underlying conditions and an astronomical majority of the rest of us are going to survive it just fine. Those are the facts.
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Not so sure about that conclusion- S Korea's death rate (0.66%) is low enough that the high risk people may not be as at risk when given the proper care. Their data seems to indicate that the survival rate is a whole lot better than most people suggest even for those at risk.

That's a fact, too.
 
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aparch said:
CNBC had some big pharmaceutical CEO on talking about his team's efforts and the CEO said "As you know, there's no profit in this for us to do, we're just doing it for the good of humanity."

Like... could the quiet parts have been said any louder that his company is only in it for the profits?
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They are in it for the profit, no question. On the other hand, there are extraordinarily bright people working in the pharmaceutical and medical industries, and I kind of like them working on these problems for me, whether they are in it for a buck or not. There is no chance I'm figuring it out.
 
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Brief summation:

All stock market gains under Trump wiped out

Vaccine is being tested in Seattle

5.7 earthquake in Salt Lake City

$1 trillion bailout being debated in DC. $1000/month likely ($2000 a month possible)

In many states the legislatures have passed emergency measures and given governors new authority. Gatherings of 10+ banned in some places; bars, restaurants are closed. Delivery only.
 
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Hey look at this POS

“ Arizona Republican Rep. Andy Biggs, a Christian conservative, said a provision for domestic partnerships was part of the reason for his vote against an emergency coronavirus bill that provided for paid medical leave, free COVID–19 testing and increased unemployment insurance. He also falsely claimed the bill includes abortion funding.”

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...3-gop-lawmaker-voted-against-coronavirus-bill
 
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alfablue said:
Not so sure about that conclusion- S Korea's death rate (0.66%) is low enough that the high risk people may not be as at risk when given the proper care. Their data seems to indicate that the survival rate is a whole lot better than most people suggest even for those at risk.

That's a fact, too.
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I agree 100%. When you look at those countries who have done a much better job testing a large number of people as opposed to just those exhibiting symptoms, or those who have engaged in high risk behavior like travel, I think you get a much better picture of how many cases are really out there. I don't believe for a minute that we only have 8000 cases in this country. I wouldn't be surprised if you told me we had 100,000 cases here. But that also means that the morbidity rate is a lot lower, which suggests (as you say) that people can actually be saved from this disease if given the proper treatment.

It also may be an explanation why an extremely high percentage of those killed are those in high risk categories, basically the weakest of the herd.
 
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