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Covfefe-19: Do What Now?

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SOmeone else said it best, the racism aspect is a canard. Don't buy it.

Focus on the malicious incompetence instead.
 
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SJHovey said:
Read John Barry's book on the 1918 flu. We didn't figure anything out. The disease just ran its course. About all we did was figure out ways to treat some side issues, like pneumonia.
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We didn't figure it out at the time, but did we figure stuff out since then?

I know we've spent 98% of our brainpower the last 98 years figuring out how to get people to buy more expensive cell phones, but we have had some progress in medicine and public policy, right?






Right?
 
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With regards to working on a vaccine, are they also concurrently working on a treatment they can give to people who have it? To help alleviate symptoms, etc.? I feel like those are two separate things - new meds for people who get it now, then take the time to create a vaccine to eventually prevent people from getting it in the first place. Aren't they two different things?
 
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Scarlet said:
With regards to working on a vaccine, are they also concurrently working on a treatment they can give to people who have it? To help alleviate symptoms, etc.? I feel like those are two separate things - new meds for people who get it now, then take the time to create a vaccine to eventually prevent people from getting it in the first place. Aren't they two different things?
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they're testing different antivirals
 
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Kepler said:
We didn't figure it out at the time, but did we figure stuff out since then?

I know we've spent 98% of our brainpower the last 98 years figuring out how to get people to buy more expensive cell phones, but we have had some progress in medicine and public policy, right?






Right?
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You do know about the polio vaccine, right? :p

ETA: In regards to the Spanish flu...ehhh...

Certainly none of the vaccines described above prevented viral influenza infection – we know now that influenza is caused by a virus, and none of the vaccines protected against it. But were any of them protective against the bacterial infections that developed secondary to influenza? Vaccinologist Stanley A. Plotkin, MD, thinks they were not. He told us, “The bacterial vaccines developed for Spanish influenza were probably ineffective because at the time it was not known that pneumococcal bacteria come in many, many serotypes and that of the bacterial group they called B. influenzae, only one type is a major pathogen.” In other words, the vaccine developers had little ability to identify, isolate, and produce all the potential disease-causing strains of bacteria. Indeed, today’s pneumococcal vaccine for children protects against 13 serotypes of that bacteria, and the vaccine for adults protects against 23 serotypes.

A 2010 article, however, describes a meta-analysis of bacterial vaccine studies from 1918-19 and suggests a more favorable interpretation. Based on the 13 studies that met inclusion criteria, the authors conclude that some of the vaccines could have reduced the attack rate of pneumonia after viral influenza infection. They suggest that, despite the limited numbers of bacteria strains in the vaccines, vaccination could have led to cross-protection from multiple related strains (Chien 2010).
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if the "reinfections" are testing errors or resurgence in someone not fully recovered, and we do actually develop some immunity after recovering, then after a while we can start reducing the social distancing and the disease won't rip through the population so quickly because some portion will have been expensed and have some degree of immunity. I think it would be a gradual return to normal. I don't think we can/will maintain things like school closures until there is a vaccine, but I would guess in-person school is done until the fall.
 
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BassAle said:
most vaccines take 10-20 years to develop and get through clinical trials. I think it's unrealistic to hope we could be administering millions of doses of something in less than 12-18 months.
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I get that. I'm figuratively clinging to whatever I can for hope. :) :(
 
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BassAle said:
if the "reinfections" are testing errors or resurgence in someone not fully recovered, and we do actually develop some immunity after recovering, then after a while we can start reducing the social distancing and the disease won't rip through the population so quickly because some portion will have been expensed and have some degree of immunity. I think it would be a gradual return to normal. I don't think we can/will maintain things like school closures until there is a vaccine, but I would guess in-person school is done until the fall.
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I don't think we know if these are actual re-infections or something else. I read something on Wiki about swine flu that it was actually a bad sign that when people got better and then got worse. I think we're seeing these "other things". Depends on how they're diagnosing re-infection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

Unlike most strains of influenza, H1N1 does not disproportionately infect adults older than 60 years; this was an unusual and characteristic feature of the H1N1 pandemic.[9] Even in the case of previously very healthy people, a small percentage develop pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). This manifests itself as increased breathing difficulty and typically occurs three to six days after initial onset of flu symptoms.[10][11] The pneumonia caused by flu can be either direct viral pneumonia or a secondary bacterial pneumonia. In fact, a November 2009 New England Journal of Medicine article recommended that flu patients whose chest X-ray indicates pneumonia receive both antivirals and antibiotics.[12] In particular, it is a warning sign if a child (and presumably an adult) seems to be getting better and then relapses with high fever, as this relapse may be bacterial pneumonia.[13]
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If we're only saying their re-infected because they're antibodies and it comes back positive, well, yeah, that's going to come back positive. Some diseases test positive for the rest of your life like Epstein-Barr. I'm not a biologist so you might have a better understanding than me. I'll readily admit that.

But if we're somehow getting sick with the same thing via some direct measure of viral load, yeah, that's really really bad. That's like seasonal flu with tactical nuke bad.

Edit: So I'm agreeing. I had misread your OP.
 
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I have a friend who owns a bank. For the past few days there has been a non-stop stream of individuals who have come in to withdraw cash, usually in about $9000 increments. The bank had to bring in an armored truck filled with cash yesterday, another today, and they have a third coming yet tomorrow.

There are two ways to move a herd of cattle. You can do it slowly, and very, very patiently. It's aggravating, because they don't move very fast and there are always a lot of them heading off in their own direction. But, with enough patience, you can usually get them to move.

The second way is to spook them. They'll move for you then, and right away. You just better hope you don't get trampled.

There were a lot of people unhappy with how fast the herd was moving in this country in response to the virus. Well boys, you got the herd spooked now.

Good luck.
 
Kepler said:
We didn't figure it out at the time, but did we figure stuff out since then?

I know we've spent 98% of our brainpower the last 98 years figuring out how to get people to buy more expensive cell phones, but we have had some progress in medicine and public policy, right?






Right?
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I dunno. How we been doing the last couple months?
 
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Seen on facebook:

Don't self-isolate because you're afraid of becoming infected. Assume you are already infected and self-isolate to prevent giving it to others.
 
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Update from Minnesota Governor:

50,000 unemployment applications this week; 2,100 all of last year
Chartered jet brought back 32 Minnesotans from Grand Princess. Metro Transit took them home around the state to self-quarantine. (i'm supremely confident this was handled well)
Minnesota will delay sales tax payments for business for 30 days with no penalty.
13,000 National Guard members preparing to provide security at prisons, deliver food, and more.
Won't issue shelter-in-place yet, but it's a tool
1700 MN COVID-19 samples are frozen, waiting to be tested. Not enough test kits available.
State will relax many rules during crisis: "You're not going to get a ticket for driving on an expired license during this time."

All from Pat Kessler, local politics reporter.

In Florida, meanwhile...
"Florida governor refuses to close beaches as coronavirus cases rise"
 
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