Coronavirus

[joecct]

The NCAA always allows for special circumstances, like a medical redshirt even if they have already redshirted in the past.

True, for the winter sports, they already played this year. It's just like if your team didn't make the playoffs. You're done.

But for the Spring sports, I got to think the NCAA will grant everyone a redshirt if you ask. If they don't, they are going to look really, really bad, and the last thing the NCAA wants is more bad press on how they treat the athletes.

Duke lacrosse

 

[Still Eeyore]

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But for the Spring sports, I got to think the NCAA will grant everyone a redshirt if you ask. If they don't, they are going to look really, really bad, and the last thing the NCAA wants is more bad press on how they treat the athletes.

I agree that this is almost certainly what they're going to do, but it causes problems for incoming freshmen, and classes after them, for scholarships and playing time. Teams are going to have five full classes of players on the roster. It won't get solved until programs simply recruit fewer players several years down the line.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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I agree that this is almost certainly what they're going to do, but it causes problems for incoming freshmen, and classes after them, for scholarships and playing time. Teams are going to have five full classes of players on the roster. It won't get solved until programs simply recruit fewer players several years down the line.

That's a good point. I didn't think of the unintended consequences. Especially since there will be a mass of redshirt exceptions.

 

[NUProf]

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That's a good point. I didn't think of the unintended consequences. Especially since there will be a mass of redshirt exceptions.

This really depends on how many are student/athletes, and for how many the "student" part is a joke. Many of the real students will just move on and graduate on time, and they won't affect roster sizes at all. The ones who are not really students will create a numbers crunch.

 

[Offsides Guy]

This really depends on how many are student/athletes, and for how many the "student" part is a joke. Many of the real students will just move on and graduate on time, and they won't affect roster sizes at all. The ones who are not really students will create a numbers crunch.

That’s a bit harsh. There are plenty of talented, competitive athletes who are also serious students who would give anything to get a cancelled season back. Especially in women’s sports where college is almost always the end of the line.

 

[Timothy A]

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It’s nuts. Instead of cancelling wouldn’t a delay or something have worked, say in a couple of weeks or until things maybe get better ? If it doesn’t at least u tried. And if u have to change the setup, do it. Instead of a frozen 4 have a frozen 8.
Sounds corny, but hey......at least they’d be playing. No fans, even family not allowed. Free streaming. As for location just figure something out. These girls (and men’s teams) have worked their asses off and I especially feel for the seniors.

I agree with this. A postponement to see how things would develop would not be an unreasonable thing to try. If you postpone and then cancel, at least you tried. A final 8 at one site would have been really cool. 4 games Friday, 2 Saturday, 1 Monday night to give the legs a rest for the final 2.

I just think since all inter-United States travel is not at all limited, why pull the rug out from under .00000001% of the population? There's no reason the games could not have been still played without spectators. Right now if events cancellations stop 1% of the population of the US from intermingling, that is a drop in the bucket.

If we really want to get serious about this, ban all interstate travel (and all foreign flights into the country, close the Mexican and Canadian borders too) except for cargo so the supply chain is not broken. Then you truly contain this.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

That’s a bit harsh. There are plenty of talented, competitive athletes who are also serious students who would give anything to get a cancelled season back. Especially in women’s sports where college is almost always the end of the line.

Not to mention the ones suddenly able to work towards a Master's

 

[4and20]

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Well, than I stand corrected. Would that apply only to the Frozen Four? Or the semi’s as well? OSU is flying commercial this weekend and had to split their team up on to two different flights. My contact had said that was because the NCAA does not pay for private charters. Must have been more to it.

I may have my weekend wrong but I think you are talking about the March 14th DI Women's hockey quarter finals. Basketball March Madness would not have started until the following weekend when the NCAA would have all the charter jets available. I believe the NCAA would be paying the travel cost for Ohio State this weekend but like I mentioned earlier if they want a charter they would have had to pay the difference between the commercial cost and charter cost.

On a somewhat related issue, maybe the Hockey DI & DIII both men's and women's schools should work with their championship committees to match up dates with March Madness when the charter jets would be more available. I believe a number of years back when SNC was defending champion and made the final's the next season the NCAA had them flying commercial changing planes with multiple stops and long bus ride to get to the finals, with Stevens Point flying charter direct. The SNC President call the NCAA on Monday and told them SNC wasn't coming. The NCAA send a jet!

 

[Still Eeyore]

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I agree with this. A postponement to see how things would develop would not be an unreasonable thing to try. If you postpone and then cancel, at least you tried. A final 8 at one site would have been really cool. 4 games Friday, 2 Saturday, 1 Monday night to give the legs a rest for the final 2.

I just think since all inter-United States travel is not at all limited, why pull the rug out from under .00000001% of the population? There's no reason the games could not have been still played without spectators. Right now if events cancellations stop 1% of the population of the US from intermingling, that is a drop in the bucket..

Apparently, the NCAA considered this, and ended up deciding that it wasn't feasible. One element of that is that it really isn't under the control of the NCAA. Keep in mind that postponing or cancelling wasn't really the NCAA's decision. They were still planning to go forward without fans when a number of schools and conferences, including Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas, informed them that they would not participate in any tournaments. It was only after their hands were forced that the NCAA decided not to play in empty stadiums.

And any decision to reschedule would similarly be subject to the schools' participation. Most NCAA member universities are closing down their campuses entirely, likely for the rest of the academic year. Until they reopen, there's no way for their athletic teams to come together for practice or much of anything else. Reopening campuses isn't something that the NCAA has any control over, and they likely would have faced a situation where some of the schools that would be invited to tournaments likely would not have done so, leaving them with an incomplete field.

That's on top of the logistical problems of trying to find venues and all of the other problems of rescheduling.

 

[Sieve1]

Apparently, the NCAA considered this, and ended up deciding that it wasn't feasible. One element of that is that it really isn't under the control of the NCAA. Keep in mind that postponing or cancelling wasn't really the NCAA's decision. They were still planning to go forward without fans when a number of schools and conferences, including Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas, informed them that they would not participate in any tournaments. It was only after their hands were forced that the NCAA decided not to play in empty stadiums.

And any decision to reschedule would similarly be subject to the schools' participation. Most NCAA member universities are closing down their campuses entirely, likely for the rest of the academic year. Until they reopen, there's no way for their athletic teams to come together for practice or much of anything else. Reopening campuses isn't something that the NCAA has any control over, and they likely would have faced a situation where some of the schools that would be invited to tournaments likely would not have done so, leaving them with an incomplete field.

That's on top of the logistical problems of trying to find venues and all of the other problems of rescheduling.

Colleges have sent students home and there’s no way to justify keeping a handful of athletes on campus because colleges won’t be able to provide any support. I have a D1 athlete in another sport who just spent spring break on an empty campus b/c practices and games were continuing for the spring sport. Campus amenities, including food service, are bare bones over break under normal circumstances, so it would be even worse now if they stayed. It breaks my heart that their season just ended but seeing what’s going on on the world right now (and what is yet to come) and considering what would happen if my kid did actually get sick, or had to quarantine or whatever... I’m ok with him coming home instead of being stranded. Don’t listen to Trump- listen to Fauci. It’s going to get much worse before it gets better.

 

[ONR]

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With pro sports shutting down and big name schools (Duke, Kentucky, Kansas) not participating, it was a done deal. Also the Duke AD is the current chair of the NCAA Basketball Committee. The Kentucky AD will be chair in 2020-21.

 

[Still Eeyore]

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This really depends on how many are student/athletes, and for how many the "student" part is a joke. Many of the real students will just move on and graduate on time, and they won't affect roster sizes at all. The ones who are not really students will create a numbers crunch.

Aside from what others have said, there may be a number of students who don't manage to graduate this spring because of campus closures. I'm not convinced that switching entirely to online classes will entirely fill that gap.

 

[vicb]

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The NCAA always allows for special circumstances, like a medical redshirt even if they have already redshirted in the past.

True, for the winter sports, they already played this year. It's just like if your team didn't make the playoffs. You're done.

But for the Spring sports, I got to think the NCAA will grant everyone a redshirt if you ask. If they don't, they are going to look really, really bad, and the last thing the NCAA wants is more bad press on how they treat the athletes.

All the "Experts" on ESPN (Basketball especially) are now calling for not only the spring athletes be granted an extra year of eligibility, now they want to allow any of the winter sports athletes that have used up their eligibility to act as if this year never happened and grant them another year of eligibility.

 

[vicb]

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All the "Experts" on ESPN (Basketball especially) are now calling for not only the spring athletes be granted an extra year of eligibility, now they want to allow any of the winter sports athletes that have used up their eligibility to act as if this year never happened and grant them another year of eligibility.

And the Liberty League Presidents want the NC$$ to restore eligibility to "ALL STUDENT-ATHLETES" whose season was impacted by the Coronavirus? I wonder if they really want winter sports to be included?

https://libertyleagueathletics.com/...league-statement-in-response-to-covid-19.aspx

 

[D2D]

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All the "Experts" on ESPN (Basketball especially) are now calling for not only the spring athletes be granted an extra year of eligibility, now they want to allow any of the winter sports athletes that have used up their eligibility to act as if this year never happened and grant them another year of eligibility.

With everything cancelled and not much left to talk about, many of those "Experts" may well be looking for another job sometime in the near future.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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All the "Experts" on ESPN (Basketball especially) are now calling for not only the spring athletes be granted an extra year of eligibility, now they want to allow any of the winter sports athletes that have used up their eligibility to act as if this year never happened and grant them another year of eligibility.

Those experts are just beyond ridiculous.

I get that it totally sucks to be a senior and lose out on a championship opportunity. But, that is not the equivalent of losing a whole year of eligibility.

 

[ARM]

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I get that it totally sucks to be a senior and lose out on a championship opportunity. But, that is not the equivalent of losing a whole year of eligibility.

I agree. This isn't much different from players who have suffered season-ending injuries just before the postseason for decades. It sucks, but it is the nature of collegiate athletics that one class moves on to make room for the next incoming class. At this point, it isn't possible to do anything that is fair to everyone. For Spring sports, if you don't give the added eligibility, that's unfair to the seniors (and juniors, sophomores, and frosh, because they lost majority of the Spring season as well). However if you do grant everybody a redshirt, then the current student athletes back things up for up to four years. It's rough.

 

[vicb]

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With everything cancelled and not much left to talk about, many of those "Experts" may well be looking for another job sometime in the near future.

You must not watch much of the Sports Center and Talk Show programming on ESPN. These announcers along with the "Experts" and the coaches (Basketball) can talk on any subject for 5 min or an hour and then have the next show repeat the same drivel with new announcers and new "Experts". There is always the NFL and the billionaire owners vs the "poor" players and who is going to get what percent of the expected $5 Billion next TV contract. Or the "Stupid Star" players making $30 million a year that don't want the 17th game vs the guy sitting on the bench making a "paltry" $400K min salary (I think) and want the extra game and extra money that they will make from the new contract. I love hearing the athletes excuse that they only have a certain number of years in sports and "have to" earn as much money in their 5 year careers that will be 100 to 1000 times what the poor factory worker will earn in a 40 year time span. Give me a break. I definitely watch in the AM too much of this crap lately. Glad we have an early spring here in Merryland so I can get out on the golf course with my friends and enjoy their company (and sometimes the golf) .

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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Covid-19 this and Covid-19 that...But, don't forget vicb's theory of the bc curse is still active. There may be no cure for that...

 

[Offsides Guy]

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I agree. This isn't much different from players who have suffered season-ending injuries just before the postseason for decades. It sucks, but it is the nature of collegiate athletics that one class moves on to make room for the next incoming class. At this point, it isn't possible to do anything that is fair to everyone. For Spring sports, if you don't give the added eligibility, that's unfair to the seniors (and juniors, sophomores, and frosh, because they lost majority of the Spring season as well). However if you do grant everybody a redshirt, then the current student athletes back things up for up to four years. It's rough.

I do feel if the Spring sports are cancelled within the same window as a medical redshirt would qualify for, those athletes deserve another year of eligibility. Having said that, the schools should be able to have the flexibility to rebalance their scholarships as needed as I doubt smaller schools especially can afford to continue all the seniors' scholarships another year as well as pay for the incoming freshman who were promised scholarships. This would give schools to, for example, ask a senior to move to a 50% scholarship. I also think they'd need to let all freshman out of their commitments if they want out. If the team you were planning to play for suddenly has 5 returning redshirt seniors, you should be able to de-commit and re-open your recruitment.