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He fixes the cable?
Re: Cops 9: You Are What Now?
Swinging for the fences now. Hope it works out.
Swinging for the fences now. Hope it works out.
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Cops 9: You Are What Now?
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Re: Cops 9: You Are What Now?
Just dawned on me that it has been turned from a racist, police action problem to a Union problem. How very republican.
Just dawned on me that it has been turned from a racist, police action problem to a Union problem. How very republican.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Cops 9: You Are What Now?
Except that police unions are definitely a substantial part of the problem. Large unions are not immune to corruption and greed by their leadership - just look at the ol' boys club that is the UAW.
To dismiss racism and say unions are the only problem though, is definitely willful ignorance.
Except that police unions are definitely a substantial part of the problem. Large unions are not immune to corruption and greed by their leadership - just look at the ol' boys club that is the UAW.
To dismiss racism and say unions are the only problem though, is definitely willful ignorance.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Unions are only as good as it’s members.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: Cops 9: You Are What Now?
This guy is gonna walk, isn't he. Then the other three have nothing against them. This is going to be spectacular.
This guy is gonna walk, isn't he. Then the other three have nothing against them. This is going to be spectacular.
It would be interesting to know what effect social media has had on police as well. It seems the rise in the militarization coincides with the rise of social media.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Cops 9: You Are What Now?
Hung jury. All it takes is impaneling one copsucker.
Hung jury. All it takes is impaneling one copsucker.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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It can't happen. If it happens even whitey will never trust a DA again. Timothy will. But Hovey won't. And if the right loses Hovey it's over.
It can't happen. If it happens even whitey will never trust a DA again. Timothy will. But Hovey won't. And if the right loses Hovey it's over.
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rufus
rock and roller
Trouble is, he should have said this yesterday, when Trump used the military to clear the space for his tough guy photo op at the church.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Cops 9: You Are What Now?
I'm sure between yesterday and today the Raytheon board called Esper and told him a hard rain's gonna fall and they don't want DumpStench on them.
Dump is going down in history as a comically inept combination of Mussolini, Caligula, and Orval Faubus. Nobody with a brain in their head and a shareprice to maintain is going to want his stink on them.
I'm sure between yesterday and today the Raytheon board called Esper and told him a hard rain's gonna fall and they don't want DumpStench on them.
Dump is going down in history as a comically inept combination of Mussolini, Caligula, and Orval Faubus. Nobody with a brain in their head and a shareprice to maintain is going to want his stink on them.
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That's a lot pressure you've heaped on my narrow shoulders.
That's a lot pressure you've heaped on my narrow shoulders.
rufus
rock and roller
Nothing new for him. He's already surrendered to Covid.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Heard an argument that could made prosecuting the three others difficult. One that centered around them concentrating more on the public that was starting to amass around them only checking in here and there and seeing Chauvin had it under control. Basically "We feared for our lives", but without the fear being what the decedent would do. They were distracted.
rufus
rock and roller
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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It shows the faith I have in you.
My serious take is you stand astride the line between Republican voters (15% of the electorate) and the True Believer Base (35% of the electorate). If you fall it means the GOP is down to a third of the national vote, their effective bottom. Even they can't suppress votes that fast.
It shows the faith I have in you.
My serious take is you stand astride the line between Republican voters (15% of the electorate) and the True Believer Base (35% of the electorate). If you fall it means the GOP is down to a third of the national vote, their effective bottom. Even they can't suppress votes that fast.
rufus
rock and roller
They asked Chauvin if they should roll him over. Chauvin said no. They asked him again, still no. They checked for his pulse, nothing. They still did nothing, while Chauvin sat on his neck for almost another three minutes.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Oh I know how the argument sucks, it's just that the feared for our lives claim tends to trump all other evidence.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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Police unions tend to vote GOP. GOP is now playing with fire.
Police unions tend to vote GOP. GOP is now playing with fire.
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I personally think unions are a convenient scapegoat.
We have to remember this. We (the public) want police to have that protection, to be hard to fire. It didn't used to be that way. We insisted on it as part of good government, to protect us, and those reasons still exist.
Police are part of the civil service system. In the first 100+ years of this country, it didn't exist. Public employees, including police, served at the pleasure of their newly elected masters. Did you know that's why President Garfield was shot? A guy showed up at the White House looking for a job following Garfield's election, and when he didn't get one, planned his assassination of the newly elected President.
Without civil service rules, graft was rampant since the jobs were handed out as payment for lining up votes. Imagine the system we have now for ambassadors, but applied to all jobs down to the guy mowing the White House lawn.
How excited would everyone be if Trump were allowed to take office and appoint his own private goon squad to serve as agents in the FBI or US Marshall's service?
We demanded change, and that change came in the form of civil service rules that make it more difficult to fire public employees than it is to fire the rest of us. Unions are just an advocacy group for that protection.
Do we really want the pendulum to swing back? Minneapolitans may like the police force that Frey appoints, but what about the next guy?
Here is the problem, and it isn't a union problem. The true sadists on the police force are few and far between. They are not the problem, or not the problem for which we can't find a solution. The problem is the rest of the force. Until we can get them past the fear that testifying against or reporting the sadists will leave them hanging without backup the next time they're in a dicey situation, we're going to continue to see these incidents occur.
I personally think unions are a convenient scapegoat.
We have to remember this. We (the public) want police to have that protection, to be hard to fire. It didn't used to be that way. We insisted on it as part of good government, to protect us, and those reasons still exist.
Police are part of the civil service system. In the first 100+ years of this country, it didn't exist. Public employees, including police, served at the pleasure of their newly elected masters. Did you know that's why President Garfield was shot? A guy showed up at the White House looking for a job following Garfield's election, and when he didn't get one, planned his assassination of the newly elected President.
Without civil service rules, graft was rampant since the jobs were handed out as payment for lining up votes. Imagine the system we have now for ambassadors, but applied to all jobs down to the guy mowing the White House lawn.
How excited would everyone be if Trump were allowed to take office and appoint his own private goon squad to serve as agents in the FBI or US Marshall's service?
We demanded change, and that change came in the form of civil service rules that make it more difficult to fire public employees than it is to fire the rest of us. Unions are just an advocacy group for that protection.
Do we really want the pendulum to swing back? Minneapolitans may like the police force that Frey appoints, but what about the next guy?
Here is the problem, and it isn't a union problem. The true sadists on the police force are few and far between. They are not the problem, or not the problem for which we can't find a solution. The problem is the rest of the force. Until we can get them past the fear that testifying against or reporting the sadists will leave them hanging without backup the next time they're in a dicey situation, we're going to continue to see these incidents occur.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I look forward to your support of the teachers' union, public university tenure, and the unionization of other workers.
I look forward to your support of the teachers' union, public university tenure, and the unionization of other workers.
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