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Cops 9: You Are What Now?

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alfablue said:
Major instigator.... in what way? Did he call them names? oooohhhhh, so bad. It's funny how one side can consistently dish out insults and threats, but the moment it turns the other way, they become snowflakes.
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Supposedly he is a well known community organizer and agitator. How that justifies what happened I dont know. If I was the Mayor I would shut my mouth though because the lawsuit that comes from this is going to be HUGE.

Of course if there hadnt been video they would still be saying he tripped and fell.
 
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Uhhh...read the room dumbass:

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It seems the cops have a new tactic...they are now targeting the people who release videos and arresting them days later. True heroes putting their life on the line!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's confirmed. Seattle Police just arrested the man who filmed them macing a little girl last week. I don't believe in coincidences. They are targeting protesters, this is the second in 24 hours. Huge shows of force both times. I would be lying if I said I wasn't terrified. <a href="https://t.co/yaFfp3pXQE">pic.twitter.com/yaFfp3pXQE</a></p>— Spek (@spekulation) <a href="https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1269527967517966338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Handyman said:
It seems the cops have a new tactic...they are now targeting the people who release videos and arresting them days later. True heroes putting their life on the line!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's confirmed. Seattle Police just arrested the man who filmed them macing a little girl last week. I don't believe in coincidences. They are targeting protesters, this is the second in 24 hours. Huge shows of force both times. I would be lying if I said I wasn't terrified. <a href="https://t.co/yaFfp3pXQE">pic.twitter.com/yaFfp3pXQE</a></p>— Spek (@spekulation) <a href="https://twitter.com/spekulation/status/1269527967517966338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The police are the enemy.
 
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Seeing the latest police videos makes my stomach turn. This is disgusting to see continue.

What is frustrating is seeing sh** like this, and yet there are videos showing the local police near my town are all *with* the protesters, they agree with them. And the reactions have been fairly calm (except for some looting by some opportunistic a**holes).

It's also been good to see the Michigan State Police haven't been involved in any conflicts (it appeared it was just Grand Rapids PD). Maybe the MSP learned from the Long, Hot Summer of '67...
 
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Kepler said:
Abolish the police. Find a new way.
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Say this to most people and the almost instant response is "wait until you need to dial 9-1-1." But what good does it do? The reason someone coined the phrase "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away" is because it is true. It isn't the fault of the police. How can they be everywhere at all time? Well, clearly they can't.

Our entire notion of policing needs to change. For most of us, other than clerical functions the police do little. Sure, when I totaled my car earlier this year I had the police respond and fill out whatever paperwork I needed to provide my insurance company. But that is hardly worthy of the billions of dollars we spend on policing. If someone kicked in my door in the middle of the night I am my first line of defense. By the time I find my phone and dial 9-1-1 who knows what will happen to me? The money we spend on traditional policing can be spent far more effectively on other means of law enforcement and protecting the public.

I also admit to bias in my view of the police (something a person like Rube NEVER seems to be willing to do) as my brother lost two of his children to gun violence and the police have woefully failed in any attempts at bringing the guilty to justice. But my opinions on police soured years before the first of those two crimes and continues to be sour because of evidence and statistics and observation.

Crime is prevented by far more effectively by means other than throwing more cops out there and by any objective measure the effectiveness of police at solving crimes is spotty, at best. It is long overdue that we find a new way.
 
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Rube has on many occasions admitted his bias because of the cops in his family. You can insult a lot of things about him but that one is patently false.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
I also admit to bias in my view of the police (something a person like Rube NEVER seems to be willing to do)
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Rube admits his police bias all the time. He has family in law enforcement. He's even mentioned how it got him out of jury duty.

I'm curious as to what other solutions people have to law enforcement if we disband the police.
 
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This is very good; it takes a while to really kick out the jams but it's excellent.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The editor of The New York Times' editorial page, James Bennet, has resigned days after the publication of a controversial op-ed from Sen. Tom Cotton drew significant criticism, including from dozens of the newspaper's staffers <a href="https://t.co/O6qKctSxpt">https://t.co/O6qKctSxpt</a></p>— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) <a href="https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1269733337528238082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Handyman said:
Rube has on many occasions admitted his bias because of the cops in his family. You can insult a lot of things about him but that one is patently false.
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I've engage here with him on the topic of policing many times and while he admits he has family who are police officers my memory is that he fails to acknowledge that this might cloud his judgement. If he has acknowledged that, I apologize to him.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Rube admits his police bias all the time. He has family in law enforcement. He's even mentioned how it got him out of jury duty.

I'm curious as to what other solutions people have to law enforcement if we disband the police.
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Better educational, housing, job and environmental policies have all shown to be effective tools at preventing crime before it starts. People who receive a good education, and know they have a way to earn a legal living don't tend to commit crimes. Quit sending people with addictions and mental illness to prison absent violent crimes committed because of that addiction or illness, and when we need to do so as a last resort, how about better efforts at treatment so when they come out, they find a way to integrate into the community as a productive member of it.

I don't pretend this is easy, but for generations the only thing too many people have wanted to do was hire more cops. That. Does. Not. Work.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Better education and increased opportunity is how we prevent crime. More PROPERLY TRAINED cops works.

Cleveland OH, with a population that is about 10% smaller than Minneapolis (estimated 383,000 versus 425,000) has 1500 cops, compared to about 800 in Minneapolis. Crime rates there are actually worse, almost 15 violent crimes reported for every 100,000 residents, versus around 8 per 100,000 in Minneapolis. Overall crime is higher in Cleveland as well, with 59 violent or property crimes reported per 100,000 residents compared to around 50 per 100,000 residents in Minneapolis. Those numbers are 2018 data. Neither city stacks up well compared to others in the country because neither city has done enough to expand educational or job opportunities. South bend IN is just about 1/4 the size of Minneapolis with 105,000 people. It has a police force that is authorized to employ about 225 cops so it has higher staffing as well per 100,000 residents and it too has more crime than Minneapolis, falling in between the rates there and of Cleveland.

For any study you can cite that shows more police is the answer I can cite 10 that say there are far more effective ways of lowering crime. Sure, Minneapolis could hire 2200 more cops as I am sure 3000 people cracking skulls and putting their knees on the necks of unarmed black men would likely scare the population into complete submission (which in fact is what anyone with even one functioning eye can see that's what the police want). More cops is not the answer now and it wasn't the answer a generation ago and it won't be the answer a generation from now.
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The underlined and bolded. :)
 
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Handyman said:
GF brought up a good point the other day. She is hardly a Cop Defender but she does buy how the stress is part of what causes this lack of empathy. She brought up the idea of regular (I said monthly but she said maybe quarterly) mental health checks especially early on. Make them mandatory. (make it a paid day off if you have to) Have them meet with professionals so they can decompress.
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I am 100% for this.

And as for the police bias? Yeah, I am biased FOR the police. However, if someone tarnishes the badge, I'm also trying to be the first to call them out on it, since it disgraces the good cops.
 
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Handyman said:
GF brought up a good point the other day. She is hardly a Cop Defender but she does buy how the stress is part of what causes this lack of empathy. She brought up the idea of regular (I said monthly but she said maybe quarterly) mental health checks especially early on. Make them mandatory. (make it a paid day off if you have to) Have them meet with professionals so they can decompress.
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You would think this approach would be a no-brainer. But like anyone with a warrior mentality, police are reluctant to admit to issues with their mental health. We are starting to de-stigmatize mental health issues fortunately, and good mental health treatment for cops would help quite a bit I bet. The same is true with firefighters and EMS personnel, and they too often have a similar difficulty with being open about it. I speak from first-hand experience there. It should be as easy for a cop to seek help with this kind of an issue as it is to go down to the supply store to buy a new pair of shoes or holster. And they should know it is not only necessary, but safe for them to do so.
 
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