Cops 6: The More You Pay, The Faster We'll Come!

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

It's almost like decades of horrible police relations lead to this sort of thing (and honestly it'll get worse if it doesn't improve).

Yeah I’m about out of sympathy for cops. I’ll start thinking differently when I meet one who isn’t blindly supporting the bad apple colleagues

 

[Handyman]

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Yeah I’m about out of sympathy for cops. I’ll start thinking differently when I meet one who isn’t blindly supporting the bad apple colleagues

I know a couple...but not many.

Until cops truly fear their behavior can lead to them losing their job or worse...they will never act in a way that benefits anyone but themselves. Cops are human, and we need to start remembering that and punishing accordingly.

Hell if just a few cops stood up and publicly destroyed the cops who do bad things it would help. As of now why the heck should anyone trust cops to do anything correctly? every day we find out not only the crap they pull, but the stuff they say about the people they are sworn to protect. If they dont even respect human life they shouldnt be on the job.

It goes beyond training...they need to do a better job weeding out the bad apples before they even get there. It should be a hard gig to get a job as a cop...you should need to be elite and above reproach. If they want to be treated as such they need to earn it and just passing a test at the academy isnt enough.

 

[Kepler]

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We'll never get good cops until we stop recruiting them from the dregs. Right now law enforcement is basically a Dumping ground (pun intended) for guys who were too crazy or dumb for the military. If they're too crazy or dumb for the cops they join CBP.

Until we stop hiring brownshirts we will never stop getting brownshirt behavior. That's what they are capable of. Put them back in the infantry and let them and ISIS wipe each other out like the Good Lord of natural selection intended.

 

[RaceBoarder]

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I know a couple...but not many.

Until cops truly fear their behavior can lead to them losing their job or worse...they will never act in a way that benefits anyone but themselves. Cops are human, and we need to start remembering that and punishing accordingly.

Hell if just a few cops stood up and publicly destroyed the cops who do bad things it would help. As of now why the heck should anyone trust cops to do anything correctly? every day we find out not only the crap they pull, but the stuff they say about the people they are sworn to protect. If they dont even respect human life they shouldnt be on the job.

It goes beyond training...they need to do a better job weeding out the bad apples before they even get there. It should be a hard gig to get a job as a cop...you should need to be elite and above reproach. If they want to be treated as such they need to earn it and just passing a test at the academy isnt enough.

Just given where society is at the moment, you'd have to think that at some point a "higher up" from Chicago/NYC/Los Angeles/ect. PD would get towards the end of their career and take the opportunity to cash in on a tell-all book or interview series. Something along the lines of what Michael Franzese did with the mob. Along those lines, I'm sure that cop will also be looking over his shoulder constantly like Franzese as well.

 

[Kepler]

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Just given where society is at the moment, you'd have to think that at some point a "higher up" from Chicago/NYC/Los Angeles/ect. PD would get towards the end of their career and take the opportunity to cash in on a tell-all book or interview series. Something along the lines of what Michael Franzese did with the mob. Along those lines, I'm sure that cop will also be looking over his shoulder constantly like Franzese as well.

The higher ups don't know anything. The cops are like a corporation -- the work (good and bad) is done in the middle. The bottom are robots and the top are fruit salad.

What you would need is somebody who ran internal affairs investigations losing his mind, copying all the files, and releasing them on Wikileaks. I'm sure the level of fraud, robbery, torture, rape, and murder not to mention racism, sexism, xenophobia and homophobia are the equivalent of 1930s Tennessee.

 

[The Rube]

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What I am saying, is think about the thousands upon thousands of interactions of cops and people, and how many bad ones we actually hear about? And these guys did nothing that we know about, and are trashed, physically assaulted, etc?

I hear we should not judge the actions of many, because of the actions of a few. Go ahead, and basically name any group nowadays: gun owners and Muslims seem to be the trend lately...so why are cops different?

If I went and assaulted one of the groups I mentioned, I'd be in friggin' jail.

 

[trixR4kids]

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It's not the few, there are departments with literal nazis in them and nobody within those departments does anything about it. And when one of them commits an atrocious act like murder, the union goes out of their way to defend the cops and the blue wall comes up.

The same can not be said for the groups you mention.

 

[The Rube]

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It's not the few, there are departments with literal nazis in them and nobody within those departments does anything about it. And when one of them commits an atrocious act like murder, the union goes out of their way to defend the cops and the blue wall comes up.

The same can not be said for the groups you mention.

Next time you need some help, don't bother with them, then, since obviously you can't trust them.

The bad cops should be gone. And there are bad cops. They are not the majority. If you truly believe they are the majority, why rely on them for any help?

 

[trixR4kids]

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Next time you need some help, don't bother with them, then, since obviously you can't trust them.

Ok...?

The bad cops should be gone. And there are bad cops. They are not the majority. If you truly believe they are the majority, why rely on them for any help?

If the "good cops" enable the bad cops by sitting on their hands every time one of the bad cops commits murder then how "good" are they truly?

And to be fair this is a problem that goes higher up the ladder than the cops you see on the road or what have you but at an institutional level it's completely broken throughout this country and needs to be rebuilt from the ground up (and the justice dept. needs to do a better job of holding police accountable as well).

 

[The Rube]

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Ok...?

If the "good cops" enable the bad cops by sitting on their hands every time one of the bad cops commits murder then how "good" are they truly?

And to be fair this is a problem that goes higher up the ladder than the cops you see on the road or what have you but at an institutional level it's completely broken throughout this country and needs to be rebuilt from the ground up (and the justice dept. needs to do a better job of holding police accountable as well).

Reading the last part of your post, I stand by my statement. If you think the whole is that bad, then why call them if you are in trouble?

 

[trixR4kids]

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I don't ****ing call them lol.

 

[The Rube]

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I don't ****ing call them lol.

I would hope not, with that bias you have.

 

[Handyman]

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What I am saying, is think about the thousands upon thousands of interactions of cops and people, and how many bad ones we actually hear about? And these guys did nothing that we know about, and are trashed, physically assaulted, etc?

I hear we should not judge the actions of many, because of the actions of a few. Go ahead, and basically name any group nowadays: gun owners and Muslims seem to be the trend lately...so why are cops different?

If I went and assaulted one of the groups I mentioned, I'd be in friggin' jail.

First of all no one should be assaulted. Even the most ardent anti-cop person would say that.

Second, it isnt a few. You have to get past your bias and see that. The sheer number of stories we post here prove that and this is a SMALL fraction of what is out there. And that is just the stuff that is made public...how many more have we never heard about.

And I dont care if it is 1/100000000 interactions it is still too ****ed many.

 

[Kepler]

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First of all no one should be assaulted.

You post is invalid.

 

[The Rube]

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First of all no one should be assaulted. Even the most ardent anti-cop person would say that.

Second, it isnt a few. You have to get past your bias and see that. The sheer number of stories we post here prove that and this is a SMALL fraction of what is out there. And that is just the stuff that is made public...how many more have we never heard about.

And I dont care if it is 1/100000000 interactions it is still too ****ed many.

I have always agreed it has been too many. I have never said otherwise.

I'm against the overall generalization of some here that say police in general cannot be trusted because of the actions of a few. It's bullsh*.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I have always agreed it has been too many. I have never said otherwise.

I'm against the overall generalization of some here that say police in general cannot be trusted because of the actions of a few. It's bullsh*.

There is no data to show just how many bad cops there are Brent. All we have is daily reminders, in all corners of the country, about how many, many departments have truly bad cops. I'm not talking about ineffective or lazy cops. I'm ineffective and lazy sometimes. I'm talking about BAD cops. Criminals. Cops who use their badge, gun and authority to commit crimes. Crimes like assault, murder, obstruction, and all sorts of other felonies. Anecdotally the evidence is that bad cops are a widespread problem. And any cop who sees criminal behavior and does not do everything in his or her power to stop it, well they're bad cops too. Oh yes, and if they don't do things to stop it likely criminals as well.

What you always appear unable to grasp is that it doesn't matter if most cops are not actively abusing people and that most are -- in your view -- the good ones. They are not the good ones if they don't speak out. And cops NEVER speak out. Either they're silent, or they use their unions to reflexively defend the worst of the worst. And that makes them BAD. You also appear unable to grasp that a few bad cops surrounded by a lot of silent ones is just as bad as if they were mostly -- in your view -- "bad."

The profession of law enforcement is a special one, one that needs to be as above reproach as is humanly possible. If the cashier at Wal Mart is not above reproach his or her ability to do widespread harm is limited. Bad cops can do so much more bad. One out of 100, or even out of 1000 cannot be tolerated. Bad cops need to be weeded out with harsh consequences for the bad ones, and the ones who let them be bad, including the ones who turn blind eyes or otherwise remain silent. It's not an unfair standard. It's not an impossible standard. It most certainly is a necessary one.

And by the way, I don't bother with the cops either. I suppose there might come a time when it is unavoidable, but due to my disrespect for most in the profession and my belief in their ineffectiveness I don't bother with them and can't imagine needing to. I'm a firm believer in the adage that when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm against the overall generalization of some here that say police in general cannot be trusted because of the actions of a few. It's bullsh*.

Unless you're black your concern has been noted and logged.

 

[joecct]

There is no data to show just how many bad cops there are Brent. All we have is daily reminders, in all corners of the country, about how many, many departments have truly bad cops. I'm not talking about ineffective or lazy cops. I'm ineffective and lazy sometimes. I'm talking about BAD cops. Criminals. Cops who use their badge, gun and authority to commit crimes. Crimes like assault, murder, obstruction, and all sorts of other felonies. Anecdotally the evidence is that bad cops are a widespread problem. And any cop who sees criminal behavior and does not do everything in his or her power to stop it, well they're bad cops too. Oh yes, and if they don't do things to stop it likely criminals as well.

What you always appear unable to grasp is that it doesn't matter if most cops are not actively abusing people and that most are -- in your view -- the good ones. They are not the good ones if they don't speak out. And cops NEVER speak out. Either they're silent, or they use their unions to reflexively defend the worst of the worst. And that makes them BAD. You also appear unable to grasp that a few bad cops surrounded by a lot of silent ones is just as bad as if they were mostly -- in your view -- "bad."

The profession of law enforcement is a special one, one that needs to be as above reproach as is humanly possible. If the cashier at Wal Mart is not above reproach his or her ability to do widespread harm is limited. Bad cops can do so much more bad. One out of 100, or even out of 1000 cannot be tolerated. Bad cops need to be weeded out with harsh consequences for the bad ones, and the ones who let them be bad, including the ones who turn blind eyes or otherwise remain silent. It's not an unfair standard. It's not an impossible standard. It most certainly is a necessary one.

And by the way, I don't bother with the cops either. I suppose there might come a time when it is unavoidable, but due to my disrespect for most in the profession and my belief in their ineffectiveness I don't bother with them and can't imagine needing to. I'm a firm believer in the adage that when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

Change cops to priests and you have a good representation of the RCC these days.

"I'm a firm believer in the adage that when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away."

Do you own a handgun or other lethal protective device?

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Change cops to priests and you have a good representation of the RCC these days.

I trust you're not saying "what about the priests and the Catholic Church?'' as though that matters when discussing criminal cops.

Do you own a handgun or other lethal protective device?

And why would this even matter? If for instance I come home to find someone is braking into the garage and I call the cops as I pull into my driveway they are likely to run away and be long gone by the time the cops show up, even if they get there in 4 or 5 minutes. Why does a firearm come into play? But since you mention it, yes, that might come into play as well. If I come home and find someone is attempting to kill my neighbor I can call the cops and wait for them to show up, again just 4 or 5 minutes later, the person could be long dead by the time cops show up. According to American Police Beat the average response time to an emergency call is 10 minutes. What the police tend to be are the note takers of record. High paid ones at that.

 

[Kepler]

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Do you own a handgun or other lethal protective device?

Nah, I'm old enough now that the priests aren't interested in me.