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Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
I meant suspension, which I believe is what he got, according to the allegation and the records. He couldn't be on campus, or enroll for classes for 3 semesters. It doesn't change my opinion that it was overkill.
You are correct though. Mea culpa.
I meant suspension, which I believe is what he got, according to the allegation and the records. He couldn't be on campus, or enroll for classes for 3 semesters. It doesn't change my opinion that it was overkill.
You are correct though. Mea culpa.
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
And my bad for not realizing the mistake. Yes, a suspension is way too much. Probation (at worst) is appropriate. IF all the people in power had sat him down and communicated, and worked out the misunderstanding, a written notice of some kind just to have on record would have sufficed for my tastes. At best, no notice of any kind, just a verbal "don't do that again." At worst, some sort of probation.
And my bad for not realizing the mistake. Yes, a suspension is way too much. Probation (at worst) is appropriate. IF all the people in power had sat him down and communicated, and worked out the misunderstanding, a written notice of some kind just to have on record would have sufficed for my tastes. At best, no notice of any kind, just a verbal "don't do that again." At worst, some sort of probation.
Twitch Boy
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Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Conduct probation itself doesn't really mean anything aside from "if you fark up again during this period we fry your ***" (though it can prevent you from enrolling in some student orgs or running for officer positions.) I got 6 months for coming back to the dorms tipsy once and getting caught by a ballbuster RA. I did really like the focus on reflection/counseling during the probation, though. Fine, 12 months.
If he does it again, drop the banhammer, absolutely.
ETA: It was a full suspension with campus ban, but was dropped to probation and the ban lifted after the Student Affairs board met.
Conduct probation itself doesn't really mean anything aside from "if you fark up again during this period we fry your ***" (though it can prevent you from enrolling in some student orgs or running for officer positions.) I got 6 months for coming back to the dorms tipsy once and getting caught by a ballbuster RA. I did really like the focus on reflection/counseling during the probation, though. Fine, 12 months.
If he does it again, drop the banhammer, absolutely.
ETA: It was a full suspension with campus ban, but was dropped to probation and the ban lifted after the Student Affairs board met.
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
At tUMD, for drinking, it was a warning, then community service/counseling, then banhammer from the dorms. Once off the dorms, I think the third offense was suspension/expulsion, depending on circumstances, in addition to any legal repercussions (drunk in public, etc)
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
The questions are...
...What was the intent of Schultz's post?
...what was Ryan Grainger's history with MTU?
...why did Dean Gorman pursue Schultz, in lieu of Grainger, after it became clear Grainger edited the orginal post?
...what was Dean Gorman's authority as far as expulsions, after a decision had already been rendered by a panel?
The questions are...
...What was the intent of Schultz's post?
...what was Ryan Grainger's history with MTU?
...why did Dean Gorman pursue Schultz, in lieu of Grainger, after it became clear Grainger edited the orginal post?
...what was Dean Gorman's authority as far as expulsions, after a decision had already been rendered by a panel?
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5XvBYfxU_dM/S...-hc/National Enquirer cover[5].png?imgmax=800
Enquiring minds want to know!
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5XvBYfxU_dM/S...-hc/National Enquirer cover[5].png?imgmax=800
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
I do, too, but your post required an obligatory response, based on the presentation of your questions.
I do, too, but your post required an obligatory response, based on the presentation of your questions.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
"The answer to these questions, and many more, on the next episode of the WCHA"
I missed that part.
I do, too, but your post required an obligatory response, based on the presentation of your questions.
"The answer to these questions, and many more, on the next episode of the WCHA"
I missed that part.
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Nice call on the snark!
I think they over-reached, and wanted to prove themselves to save face. Or something like that.
"The answer to these questions, and many more, on the next episode of the WCHA"
I missed that part.
Nice call on the snark!
I think they over-reached, and wanted to prove themselves to save face. Or something like that.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
What he posted was moronic. He obviously intended to get a reaction with the way that he wrote it and that's exactly what he got. Even had he just wrote, "I'm going to shoot all black people tomorrow a smile" and left out the .... it would have received far less scrutiny albeit I guarantee it would still garner attention. He put himself at risk. He doesn't deserve the level of punishment he's received to this date at all, but people need to be careful.
What he posted was moronic. He obviously intended to get a reaction with the way that he wrote it and that's exactly what he got. Even had he just wrote, "I'm going to shoot all black people tomorrow a smile" and left out the .... it would have received far less scrutiny albeit I guarantee it would still garner attention. He put himself at risk. He doesn't deserve the level of punishment he's received to this date at all, but people need to be careful.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
If the story turns out to be true then I cant blame the cop...
If the story turns out to be true then I cant blame the cop...
trixR4kids
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Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Problem is you can never take the cops' side at face value. I mean I guess if the kid had a death wish and pulled it out of his waistband right as the cops showed up then that version would make sense but that seems unlikely.
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
No offense but that is a helluva lot more believable than they saw random black kid and decided to shoot him cause...reasons! I know it is not a popular thought but cops are innocent until proven guilty as well.
No offense but that is a helluva lot more believable than they saw random black kid and decided to shoot him cause...reasons! I know it is not a popular thought but cops are innocent until proven guilty as well.
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
This. Saw a pic of the gun.....um....that's just dam scary right there. It looks like a "real" gun (forgive the quotes, you know what I mean)
This. Saw a pic of the gun.....um....that's just dam scary right there. It looks like a "real" gun (forgive the quotes, you know what I mean)
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
What parent allows their 13 year-old kid to handle or possess any kind of gun unsupervised? Especially in a densely populated area. Christ. My dad would've grounded me for weeks if I had taken the pellet gun out for a tour of the subdivision. In our house guns were for the range, or the field/woods - not dicking around town with.
I'm all for holding cops accountable when they screw up, but culpability is a two-way street. I'd like to see some accountability from the parents in these cases.
It's also time to ask why manufacturers make pellet guns that are stylized replicas of military/police-issue handguns.
What parent allows their 13 year-old kid to handle or possess any kind of gun unsupervised? Especially in a densely populated area. Christ. My dad would've grounded me for weeks if I had taken the pellet gun out for a tour of the subdivision. In our house guns were for the range, or the field/woods - not dicking around town with.
I'm all for holding cops accountable when they screw up, but culpability is a two-way street. I'd like to see some accountability from the parents in these cases.
It's also time to ask why manufacturers make pellet guns that are stylized replicas of military/police-issue handguns.
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