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Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

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The Sicatoka said:
I'm pretty sure they were all crapping their pants.

My only question: Why was he walking back to his vehicle with his hands up? That portion seems peculiar. Cops don't let you wander around even with your hands up.

That said, what'd he do to get cause the officer to fire?


Pure speculation by me: An officer failed to perform basic firearm safety --> Finger outside the trigger guard, on the frame. The only time the finger is not on the frame is when you mean to activate the trigger. Why? When you're tense you tend to make fists. Now if that coiling index finger is on a trigger ...
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All I know is they are saying he reached into the vehicle even though the door was closed (all blood was outside) and it appeared the window was closed as well. Unless he can vibrate through doors like The Flash I think the cops might be lying here...
 
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Handyman said:
All I know is they are saying he reached into the vehicle even though the door was closed (all blood was outside) and it appeared the window was closed as well. Unless he can vibrate through doors like The Flash I think the cops might be lying here...
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And I just heard a radio report that supposedly PCP was found in the vehicle and the officer (shooter?) supposedly has special training to recognize effects of that drug. (I'm rolling my eyes a bit at that.)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tulsa-fatally-shot-terence-crutcher-pcp-article-1.2799465

The helicopter overhead view should be conclusive if the window was open. They should be able to detect a reflection, or not.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
And I just heard a radio report that supposedly PCP was found in the vehicle and the officer (shooter?) supposedly has special training to recognize effects of that drug. (I'm rolling my eyes a bit at that.)
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DRE is bullsh*t. And even if it was accurate and infallible in court (which it is not, because cops are not physicians), he's walking backwards, towards his car, with his hands up, which he puts on the car. I don't see him ever reach into the car for anything. At what point does he deserve to be shot here?
 
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Wasn't there a moment on film where he is obscured from camera view right before he was shot? I know, I know how convenient but I thought I heard this being tossed about on the news this morning. Also did the officers POV allow them to see if the window was open or closed and therefore put them in a position of not being able to take that chance?

Am certainly not trying to blindly take a side. I haven't seen the video and and for all I know it's pretty cut and dried.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Wasn't there a moment on film where he is obscured from camera view right before he was shot? I know, I know how convenient but I thought I heard this being tossed about on the news this morning. Also did the officers POV allow them to see if the window was open or closed and therefore put them in a position of not being able to take that chance?

Am certainly not trying to blindly take a side. I haven't seen the video and and for all I know it's pretty cut and dried.
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It does get obscured but both videos dont get obscured at the same time so you can see he doesnt make a move. Plus, if he did why are there no cops screaming "HE IS GOING FOR A GUN!" or something else and why didnt they all fire? (as we are reminded they are trained to do) This guy posed no threat and even if he was as high as a kite didnt deserve to die.

Here is Another Fun One

This time it was a black cop killing a black man...and it all happened because they were looking for someone with an outstanding warrant (the article doesnt say if it was deceased so I would assume it wasnt) and saw a guy exiting and entering a car with a firearm. They shot him. Article doesnt say if they found a gun on his person and his family said he was reading a booking waiting for his kid to get off the bus. Needless to say, the neighbors arent pleased and protests broke out.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
DRE is bullsh*t. And even if it was accurate and infallible in court (which it is not, because cops are not physicians), he's walking backwards, towards his car, with his hands up, which he puts on the car. I don't see him ever reach into the car for anything. At what point does he deserve to be shot here?
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Not to quibble or defend the actions of the police, but I think the guy was actually walking forward, not backward, with his hands in the air.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And yet, the charges will probably still stand.
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You should try reading the actual articles. It took a little over a year, and the accused won. After that case concluded is when he started working with the ACLU to go after the state troopers for their conduct and how they breeched his rights.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
"Victim" kills "assailant", riots begin: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103009432.html

Pay close attention to any military action that may take place in that area.
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The violence tonight was started by the protesters. Not the majority of them. Saw many ON CAMERA having discussions with the officers (yes, heated, but still civil). The protesters then started fires, hurling glass bottles, attacking media, etc. Again, a SMALL portion of the overall protest, started this, but this is not on the cops. This is pure bullsh*.

I give major credit to the peaceful protesters, especially the ones who were talking with the police.
 
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St. Clown said:
You should try reading the actual articles. It took a little over a year, and the accused won. After that case concluded is when he started working with the ACLU to go after the state troopers for their conduct and how they breeched his rights.
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Doesn't mean things will change in the appeals process, or perhaps a civil case.
 
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Brenthoven said:
The violence tonight was started by the protesters. Not the majority of them. Saw many ON CAMERA having discussions with the officers (yes, heated, but still civil). The protesters then started fires, hurling glass bottles, attacking media, etc. Again, a SMALL portion of the overall protest, started this, but this is not on the cops. This is pure bullsh*.

I give major credit to the peaceful protesters, especially the ones who were talking with the police.
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...and a protester was shot.

The Cop Blocker folk saying the cop was in the wrong. The Furuhata's Theme folk saying the protester was in the wrong. Perhaps it's time for BOTH parties to stop escalating the situation. Good luck because of the "last word" factor, but there's always hope...
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
...and a protester was shot.

The Cop Blocker folk saying the cop was in the wrong. The Furuhata's Theme folk saying the protester was in the wrong. Perhaps it's time for BOTH parties to stop escalating the situation. Good luck because of the "last word" factor, but there's always hope...
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I think it's always that time, flag.
 
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FTR, the protester that was shot was a civilian on civilian. Just to be clear.
 
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