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Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

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Thank god his gf Facebook lived right away after so we knew the facts. Who knows the story that comes out if not...

Yeah, except we're already getting the pushback from many in law enforcement and their enablers who are saying she only started recording after the shooting started, and so we have only her word about what transpired before Rambo started shooting his wad.

The constant drumbeat from the police about how dangerous their jobs are and how every encounter could lead to death is so freaking tired. It's another red herring, a false narrative. Police work is far from the most dangerous job out there, and in recent years has become much less deadly. For 40 + years the trend has been fewer and fewer on duty deaths. An annual average of around 230 per year during the decade of the 70s to around 160 per year in the 1990s to 131 per year on average during the current decade. In fact fewer police officers were killed by gunfire in 2013 since the 19th century. The truth is accidents are by far the largest cause of on-duty death for police officers every year.

Here's another thing to think about. In 2012 80% of all assaults on police were committed by hands and feet. Yup they were punched and kicked. Fewer than 5% of the assaults were with a firearm. We are all free to defend ourselves in the face of battery, but if you or I were civilians and we met a simple assault where no deadly weapon was present or threatened and we used a firearm to kill that batterer, well, find yourself a **** good lawyer. You'll need it. If you're a cop, not so much.

Yes police work can be dangerous. Sometimes deadly. But so are many other occupations. Police officers should not be paralyzed by fear in the course of their daily work life, and if fear is the emotion they are reacting to first or most, I suggest a different line of work. I worked for years climbing poles and towers and spending my working days high enough off the ground that any fall would likely lead to critical injury or death. I also trained people to do the work. By using proper technique, the proper tools and respecting the inherent danger of my work, I and every person I ever worked with but one got to go home safe at the end of the day. And the one who did not suffered a heart attack at the top of a telephone pole and sadly succumbed. When I was in the air, whether it was 20 feet, 100 feet or 350 feet, I didn't dread it and worry about it 24-7 and become convinced every time the wind shifted I was going to die. I relied on my training, my ability to quickly recognize changing situations, the guidelines for using and maintaining my personal protective equipment and tried and true methods that kept people safe doing that sort of work for years. Why in the name of God are we not expecting the same type of thing from the police. Instead we fill our police officers with heads full of the idea that their job is the most dangerous thing out there and it is getting worse all the time. We rarely punish the ones who screw up egregiously and if they do get punished it usually amounts to only loss of a job they had no business doing anyway. This leads to cops being more and more fearful, and more and more willing to keep a very itchy finger on that trigger and that leads to things like what happened yesterday in Minnesota.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

So the narrative is already out that, "I told him not to reach for it" or something to that effect. Uh, not buying it.

1. Why would a law-abiding citizen
2. With no warrants
3. And a legal right to carry
4. That has already announced to the officer he is carrying
5. And has been asked to get his ID
6. Instead reach for his weapon?

Now some problems are that we don't have a recording of these events and "only" the words of the gf to paint this picture. Let's hope there was an active dash-cam to add some context to all this, but in the end what a terrible story. :(
 
This cop is so ****ed.

So is the local municipality on a wrongful death suit.

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@WendellPierce: If every Black male 18-35 applied for a conceal& carry permit, and then joined NRA in one day; there would be gun control laws in a second
 
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So is the local municipality on a wrongful death suit.

The shooting happened in Falcon Heights, but the officer is from St. Anthony Village. I'm curious how that would play out in the courts. It probably depends upon whether or not Falcon Heights contracted St. Anthony Village for patrol services or the city just had some really bad luck.

ETA: It looks like they have a shared services agreement per the city's homepage. http://www.falconheights.org/
 
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So is the local municipality on a wrongful death suit.

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@WendellPierce: If every Black male 18-35 applied for a conceal& carry permit, and then joined NRA in one day; there would be gun control laws in a second

Wendell is right (as he often is about these issues) which is why the NRA seems rather silent about all this. Why arent they up in arms that a citizen with a legal right to carry was killed over his weapon. Seems like something they would normally be fighting for...yet they arent. I wonder why...
 
Wendell is right (as he often is about these issues) which is why the NRA seems rather silent about all this. Why arent they up in arms that a citizen with a legal right to carry was killed over his weapon. Seems like something they would normally be fighting for...yet they arent. I wonder why...

Maybe (and I am guessing) they want a few more facts to come in and want to avoid a knee jerk reaction.

On the surface, it looks real bad for the cop and, as you said, ready made positive talking points for the NRA. We wait.
 
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Maybe (and I am guessing) they want a few more facts to come in and want to avoid a knee jerk reaction.

On the surface, it looks real bad for the cop and, as you said, ready made positive talking points for the NRA. We wait.

Since when has the NRA worried about knee jerk reactions?

Here's a piece that is from Mother Jones, so automatically some will dismiss it as just more liberal anti-cop mongering, but it is worth reading. It sheds light on yet another reason things are out of control in this country, especially if you are poor and/or black. Its from last year but still extremely relevant.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Since when has the NRA worried about knee jerk reactions?

Here's a piece that is from Mother Jones, so automatically some will dismiss it as just more liberal anti-cop mongering, but it is worth reading. It sheds light on yet another reason things are out of control in this country, especially if you are poor and/or black. Its from last year but still extremely relevant.

Maybe, just maybe law enforcement needs to stop recruiting ex military? Not because they are more racist that the general population, but because the military has a different gun culture than civilian life.
 
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I think it has more to do with ROE in military life and civilian life. The ROE for a cop is far, far more strict, or rather should be, than that of a marine in a theater of war.
 
I think it has more to do with ROE in military life and civilian life. The ROE for a cop is far, far more strict, or rather should be, than that of a marine in a theater of war.

makes sense. and this just in

@pzf: BREAKING NEWS: REPORTS OF MULTIPLE OFFICERS SHOT DURING PROTEST IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

@FoxNews: KFDW is reporting two police officers have been shot in Dallas. Stay with Fox News for breaking updates. http://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/751237616410857472/photo/1
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

You are right...he probably shot him because he feared the car he drove.

You yourself say he sounds "scared" well what does he have to fear exactly?

Partially of what uno says.

I was thinking about the video today, and the woman declares he has a CC. Ok, that implies there is a weapon in the car, so if the officer sees a weapon, he might have more comfort in knowing that the man is trained and certified to carry (this is obvious speculation on my part). However, and I'm spitballing here, trying to figure out what the officer was thinking...

1. Does the officer really know if the man has a CC?
2. Is there a weapon in the car?
3. Will the man be cooperative in this situation?
4. If the man is not cooperative, what will happen IF there is a weapon in the car?
5. What if the woman decides to grab the weapon, which may or may not be in the car?

There is still much info to come out, and I'm not excusing the cop one bit. He shot the man, no question. The question will be, was it pure intent, or did the officer panic and just pull the trigger in that state of panic? What happened before the video started rolling? How trained is the officer? How often has he come across situations like this?

I'm bothered by the immediate "RACIST!" claims that many are spewing. The 5 questions above have nothing to do with race. They are simply situational questions, given what the footage the video held.
 
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I don't know, for once I actually buy the fact that this guy would be alive if he was white.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

I don't know, for once I actually buy the fact that this guy would be alive if he was white.

As of right now, given the declaration of the CC, I think the officer panicked, as he was not trained well enough, no matter the color of the deceased. IMO, that might be scarier.
 
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