Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

[Slap Shot]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

I am definitely not in the know when it comes to MN's self-defense laws, but if it was proven (or can be said) that the man/family was fired upon first...I mean, what would your first reaction be in that situation, assuming you had a gun/in the same position as he was, etc etc? Asking in a very sincere manner.

The other vehicle was fleeing the scene, not sticking around for more. Might depend on when the shots were fired in return.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

I am definitely not in the know when it comes to MN's self-defense laws, but if it was proven (or can be said) that the man/family was fired upon first...I mean, what would your first reaction be in that situation, assuming you had a gun/in the same position as he was, etc etc? Asking in a very sincere manner.

What my first reaction would be and what is legally acceptable are not always the same thing. You can be morally right and ethically/legally wrong.

Self defense is a completely different type of argument than temporary insanity with different standards and results. If that is the argument they went with as a juror that would possibly bring about a different outcome. Thing is I am pretty sure you cant argue both you have to pick a specific defense. Logically it wouldnt make much sense to do both anyways since it is hard to argue you were doing the right thing even though you didnt know what you were doing was wrong

 

[The Rube]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

What my first reaction would be and what is legally acceptable are not always the same thing. You can be morally right and ethically/legally wrong.

Self defense is a completely different type of argument than temporary insanity with different standards and results. If that is the argument they went with as a juror that would possibly bring about a different outcome. Thing is I am pretty sure you cant argue both you have to pick a specific defense. Logically it wouldnt make much sense to do both anyways since it is hard to argue you were doing the right thing even though you didnt know what you were doing was wrong

Oh I agree they are two very separate defenses. I guess what I am wondering, could this a case of a justified firing of a weapon? Going by what we know right now, I wkuld be hard-pressed to find him guilty of the shooting charge. Of course we all know there are probably additional facts and evidence thst only the jury will hear, as in most court cases.....

 

[joecct]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Meanwhile in Baltimore

@WTOP: Police: Child, 7, among hostages at Baltimore Burger King http://bit.ly/2a8nhyf

 

[BassAle]

Reports of possibly 3 Baton Rouge officers killed, shooter may be down as well.

This is what libertarian gun nuts want, right? Armed civilians standing up to an oppressive government? (Note, I do not subscribe to these views)

 

[Handyman]

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Oh I agree they are two very separate defenses. I guess what I am wondering, could this a case of a justified firing of a weapon? Going by what we know right now, I wkuld be hard-pressed to find him guilty of the shooting charge. Of course we all know there are probably additional facts and evidence thst only the jury will hear, as in most court cases.....

In your home I believe there is but in the public square probably not. (especially if the gun is illegal)

 

[The Rube]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

This is what libertarian gun nuts want, right? Armed civilians standing up to an oppressive government? (Note, I do not subscribe to these views)

That is not what they want. This was an unprovoked attack.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

That is not what they want. This was an unprovoked attack.

Right but the guy who was attacked then used his gun to take out the bad guy with the gun. Remember the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!

(I think that is what Bass is saying...I am not speaking for myself)

 

[The Rube]

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Right but the guy who was attacked then used his gun to take out the bad guy with the gun. Remember the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!

(I think that is what Bass is saying...I am not speaking for myself)

Given the subject, I won't try to guess what anyone is saying. Many things can be misconstrued, misinterpreted, etc. Very touchy, and I like that this current convo is very civil, despite some differences.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Agreed that what is needed right now is a cooling off period. And ordinary people seem to be doing just that. When there are genuine threats to the social fabric people often show their best side and try to be calm in their particular corner of the world, even as the rabble rousers and demagogues try to whip up hysteria.

 

[SJHovey]

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This is what libertarian gun nuts want, right? Armed civilians standing up to an oppressive government? (Note, I do not subscribe to these views)

I suspect that "libertarian gun nuts", as you have so impassively characterized them, simply want to right to own or carry a firearm and the ammunition that is fired from it. I don't think anyone has proposed using said guns to walk out onto a public street and shoot police officers.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I suspect that "libertarian gun nuts", as you have so impassively characterized them, simply want to right to own or carry a firearm and the ammunition that is fired from it. I don't think anyone has proposed using said guns to walk out onto a public street and shoot police officers.

It's BassAle's tongue-in-cheek attempt at blaming the gun and wanting it banned. It didn't work.

There's one thing libertarians are also willing to do that never seems to be mentioned: Petition for a redress of grievances. This is one of the fundamental points mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, and is also one of the things Congress shall not inhibit nor amend.

 

[Kepler]

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I think OP may have been conflating libertarians and ultra-minarchists. The latter is a tiny subset of a tiny subset of the former. As you ascend towards the ninth circle of libertarian paradise, you get into the night watchman state, where government only exists to protect the most fundamental rights (by which they mean, surprise, private property). Beyond that you're in the rarefied air of anarchists who extend user fees to their ultimate absurdity and roaming gangs of private security mercenaries replace the cops. Somehow this is supposed to be the acme of personal freedom, because we all remember the golden age of personal freedom was feudalism.

 

[unofan]

I suspect that "libertarian gun nuts", as you have so impassively characterized them, simply want to right to own or carry a firearm and the ammunition that is fired from it. I don't think anyone has proposed using said guns to walk out onto a public street and shoot police officers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...urce=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
This guy was apparently a sovereign citizen. He's part of the same movement that held the dildo revolution in the Pacific Northwest. That makes him a nut job even by libertarian party standards.

That said, it's ironic that the African American sovereign citizen followed through on his second amendment solution, while the good ole boys out west just strutted around brandishing their guns before caving in like the cowards they were.

 

[joecct]

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Baltimore cops 3.5 The DA 0.5

 

[BassAle]

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I think OP may have been conflating libertarians and ultra-minarchists.

I know several libertarians that think they NEED guns to protect themselves from a tyrannical government (by overthrowing it). They also constantly talk about how the government is taking away their rights, how oppressive regulations are, how colonists under England had more rights than they do now under our federal government, etc. If you believe what they say, then you would think they would be supportive of private citizens taking up arms against the police.

 

[SJHovey]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...urce=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
This guy was apparently a sovereign citizen. He's part of the same movement that held the dildo revolution in the Pacific Northwest. That makes him a nut job even by libertarian party standards.

That said, it's ironic that the African American sovereign citizen followed through on his second amendment solution, while the good ole boys out west just strutted around brandishing their guns before caving in like the cowards they were.

You want to own a gun, possess a gun, use it for hunting or target shooting, or even to defend yourself or your family, I'll back you to the end. You want to take that gun out in public and shoot at people, rob a store or take possession of someone's property, you're on your own.

I have no problem making that distinction. In neither case do I blame the gun or gun ownership. What separates the two are mental illness and misguided beliefs on the part of the latter.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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finally caught up on this thread after just reading occasionally for the last week. I saw an very interesting read about protests on interstates for all you minnesotans ****ed off at whats been happening. Apparently we have a long standing history of people taking their protests to the interstate system to disrupt their lives in order to make a point:
http://slingshotannie.tumblr.com/post/147432808567/the-only-way-youre-going-to-wake-people-up-is-by

 

[The Sicatoka]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...urce=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
This guy was apparently a sovereign citizen. He's part of the same movement that held the dildo revolution in the Pacific Northwest. That makes him a nut job even by libertarian party standards.

That said, it's ironic that the African American sovereign citizen followed through on his second amendment solution, while the good ole boys out west just strutted around brandishing their guns before caving in like the cowards they were.

Really? I put him down as a sexist and racist based on his Twitter and YouTube postings.

https://twitter.com/ConvosWithCosmo
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/17/b...ed-against-crackers-on-youtube-channel-video/

 

[Kepler]

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This guy was apparently a sovereign citizen.

...

Really? I put him down as a sexist and racist

My money's on "All Of The Above."