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Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

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Maybe if cops were held accountable for their actions this wouldn't happen... :crazyconcept:

Oh f you. For real. The actions of the protesters are inexcusable. I'm fine with protesting. Assault? No. And that is just the start.
 
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I'm not taking sides in this one. Everyone who is involved is a victim.
 
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I'm not taking sides in this one. Everyone who is involved is a victim.

Go ahead and protest. I'm cool with that. Disrupt some stuff, sure (shaky in my opinion, but *sigh*). Assault officers? No. NO. Not right. Not good. Pure bullsh*
 
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Brent you're really getting a little off track. I know they don't ban anyone around here anymore but before they bring that tactic back maybe you should dial it back a bit. I've actually been surprised by the tone of most of this thread in light of the events of the last few days, but all your "F U BLM" stuff is threatening to derail this thread. We get it it. You're angry and think the police have been unfairly painted with a broad brush. Others here are more angry with the cops and think the fix has got to start with them. F U's to an entire movement or to other posters who didn't post anything offensive are beneath you.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Brent you're really getting a little off track. I know they don't ban anyone around here anymore but before they bring that tactic back maybe you should dial it back a bit. I've actually been surprised by the tone of most of this thread in light of the events of the last few days, but all your "F U BLM" stuff is threatening to derail this thread. We get it it. You're angry and think the police have been unfairly painted with a broad brush. Others here are more angry with the cops and think the fix has got to start with them. F U's to an entire movement or to other posters who didn't post anything offensive are beneath you.

When you support assaulting officers, that's a big middle finger from me. I have been very honest in the latest dealings of officers, good and bad, IMO. And when people assault other people, and a poster supports it? I'm gonna speak my mind. There was a photo, I wish I could figure out how to link, but it was a line of black men standing in front of the Baltimore police, and it was beautiful. It really touched me. I was dam near in tears, not kidding. Very powerful. And others are messing this crap up. So yeah, I get a bit fired up.
 
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When you support assaulting officers, that's a big middle finger from me. I have been very honest in the latest dealings of officers, good and bad, IMO. And when people assault other people, and a poster supports it? I'm gonna speak my mind. There was a photo, I wish I could figure out how to link, but it was a line of black men standing in front of the Baltimore police, and it was beautiful. It really touched me. I was dam near in tears, not kidding. Very powerful. And others are messing this crap up. So yeah, I get a bit fired up.

Did you look at your post below? The link worked. It was a good picture.
 
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Did you look at your post below? The link worked. It was a good picture.

I know that sometimes on your own computer, the link works, and on others' computers the link doesn't work. Glad it worked. Really glad.
 
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Maybe if cops were held accountable for their actions this wouldn't happen... :crazyconcept:

Stop trolling...you arent funny or creative with it and you just sound like a ******. Attacking cops is not the answer.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Let's all just keep picking sides as driving the wedge deeper. It's worked out so well in the past.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Per KSTP Minneapolis:

Updated: 07/09/2016 10:23 PM
Created: 07/09/2016 8:23 PM
Police started arresting protesters who shut down parts of Interstate 94 Saturday night following the death of Philando Castile.
Protesters began throwing objects, including fireworks, at officers according to the St. Paul Police Department. One protester was using a laser sight and pointing it at officers.
Other protesters poured liquids on officers while standing on an overpass.
St. Paul Police Department officers started using glass balls with smoke, not tear gas, on protesters at I-94.
Police officers warned protesters it is an unlawful assembly and crowd and would be arrested if they did not disperse.

FU BLM. Go to hell.

Frustrated people do stupid things especially when wound up by a recent event.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Go ahead and protest. I'm cool with that. Disrupt some stuff, sure (shaky in my opinion, but *sigh*). Assault officers? No. NO. Not right. Not good. Pure bullsh*

Thing is your falling into a trap of escalation. The police see bad behavior from armed criminals in tougher communities...and escalate. AAs see potentially biased behavior from some cops... and escalate. The goal is not to take sides in order to justify one side or the other as right or wrong, because both sides can point to evidence from their point of view to implicate the other. The goal is to find a solution to end it.

From my side, I think both sides need to give. I say never, ever assault the police. But I also say the government has a responsibility to the poorest communities to help them to not become war zones of roaming armed gangs. And if you say good to the former...and FU to the latter, I've got no time for you.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Thing is your falling into a trap of escalation. The police see bad behavior from armed criminals in tougher communities...and escalate. AAs see potentially biased behavior from some cops... and escalate. The goal is not to take sides in order to justify one side or the other as right or wrong, because both sides can point to evidence from their point of view to implicate the other. The goal is to find a solution to end it.

From my side, I think both sides need to give. I say never, ever assault the police. But I also say the government has a responsibility to the poorest communities to help them to not become war zones of roaming armed gangs. And if you say good to the former...and FU to the latter, I've got no time for you.
I agree. When BLM started out, that was pretty awesome. A good message. However, they have devolved and now are doing things (assault) that they are supposedly against.

On a good note, read this today, and respect to all parties involved. This is pretty awesome, and I wish this is the way it was every time:
http://fox6now.com/2015/10/29/mans-facebook-post-about-traffic-stop-goes-viral/
 
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I agree. When BLM started out, that was pretty awesome. A good message. However, they have devolved and now are doing things (assault) that they are supposedly against.

We don't know this. All we have is the media which is selling comforting narratives to its customer. So the right wing press sells the black peril to its racists and the left wing press sells Rosa Parks to its socialists. It's all BS.
 
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We don't know this. All we have is the media which is selling comforting narratives to its customer. So the right wing press sells the black peril to its racists and the left wing press sells Rosa Parks to its socialists. It's all BS.

We do know this. St Paul cops were assaulted last night with various objects, including a molotov cocktail. Previously, the BLM movement lived on a street in front of a police building for about 2 weeks, and vandalized the building, and also verbally abused the police every day. They have blocked Hwy 94 (a major highway in the Twin Cities) a couple times. They have blatantly ignored any directive/advice/etc of the authorities. I understand civil disobedience, but the key word is "civil." BLM has not adhered to that recently.
 
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Violence as a tool in the civil rights movement should not be the last resort, it should be a never resort. I think all peaceful people would hope for and agree with this. But I think it is disingenuous of us to also not acknowledge that in this country's long struggle with the issue of civil rights for minorities it has always been that those in power used violence as a means of oppression long before those that were being oppressed fought back with concerted violent actions. Sometimes it is important who started it.

Mass arrests, jail beatings, lynchings, and church bombings all happened with such regularity as the civil rights movement was gathering momentum in the 1950s and 1960s it is surprising that our cities didn't all erupt in violence and rioting sooner than many actually did, in my opinion. And much like today with smart phones and social media, it was following film and images transmitted by TV network news that really began to illustrate what was happening in such a way that even if people wanted to choose to believe it wasn't as bad as the rabble-rousers said it was, they no longer could.

Even long ago when one side or the other tried to defend their viewpoint or their belief, they were subject to the same broad brush treatment we see today. Just because I believe something like what happened in Dallas was inevitable because of what has been happening to black men all over the country for years now, and the events of the 2 days preceding it lit the fuse on what was a bomb waiting to explode, does not mean I think it is right or justified that 5 police officers were summarily executed.

I think our nation and our society are at a crossroads. Do we start to see some healing and true reform? Do white people take heed in what Newt Gingrich had to say when he noted "It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years to get a sense of this. If you are a normal white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk." He went on to say the lack of cultural and economic progress in civil rights "creates the kind of alienation where it begins to become legitimate to think about, whether it’s in songs or slogans or whatever, the shooting of policemen. If we were to continue in this direction of alienation on both sides, you could really be a very coarse and dangerous society in 10 or 15 years." I think the only thing he gets wrong is the 10-15 years. I think we might have half that.
 
Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Violence as a tool in the civil rights movement should not be the last resort, it should be a never resort. I think all peaceful people would hope for and agree with this. But I think it is disingenuous of us to also not acknowledge that in this country's long struggle with the issue of civil rights for minorities it has always been that those in power used violence as a means of oppression long before those that were being oppressed fought back with concerted violent actions. Sometimes it is important who started it.

Mass arrests, jail beatings, lynchings, and church bombings all happened with such regularity as the civil rights movement was gathering momentum in the 1950s and 1960s it is surprising that our cities didn't all erupt in violence and rioting sooner than many actually did, in my opinion. And much like today with smart phones and social media, it was following film and images transmitted by TV network news that really began to illustrate what was happening in such a way that even if people wanted to choose to believe it wasn't as bad as the rabble-rousers said it was, they no longer could.

Even long ago when one side or the other tried to defend their viewpoint or their belief, they were subject to the same broad brush treatment we see today. Just because I believe something like what happened in Dallas was inevitable because of what has been happening to black men all over the country for years now, and the events of the 2 days preceding it lit the fuse on what was a bomb waiting to explode, does not mean I think it is right or justified that 5 police officers were summarily executed.

I think our nation and our society are at a crossroads. Do we start to see some healing and true reform? Do white people take heed in what Newt Gingrich had to say when he noted "It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years to get a sense of this. If you are a normal white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk." He went on to say the lack of cultural and economic progress in civil rights "creates the kind of alienation where it begins to become legitimate to think about, whether it’s in songs or slogans or whatever, the shooting of policemen. If we were to continue in this direction of alienation on both sides, you could really be a very coarse and dangerous society in 10 or 15 years." I think the only thing he gets wrong is the 10-15 years. I think we might have half that.

Bigotry in all shapes, colors and sizes gets passed from one generation to the next, but I am encouraged by our children who, I believe, simply do not see color, gender, or sexual preference as a primary identifier as much as previous generations did.
 
Stop trolling...you arent funny or creative with it and you just sound like a ******. Attacking cops is not the answer.

It's not trolling. There wouldn't be a protest if cops were held accountable for their actions. Instead they keep getting away with murder and then you have this which is also unacceptable.
 
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We do know this. St Paul cops were assaulted last night with various objects, including a molotov cocktail. Previously, the BLM movement lived on a street in front of a police building for about 2 weeks, and vandalized the building, and also verbally abused the police every day. They have blocked Hwy 94 (a major highway in the Twin Cities) a couple times. They have blatantly ignored any directive/advice/etc of the authorities. I understand civil disobedience, but the key word is "civil." BLM has not adhered to that recently.

We have no idea whether the violence is even BLM people, or whether they're rogue or just a few idiots. It's like saying we "know" cops are all bloodthirsty racists because of a few events.

Everybody is desperate to reduce the complexity of this to a few simple memes, but that aint the world.

Blocking a highway is a valid protest tactic. "To comfort the uncomfortable and discomfort the comfortable."
 
Blocking a highway is a valid protest tactic. "To comfort the uncomfortable and discomfort the comfortable."

If you block the highway, then you need to accept the consequences of that illegal activity. Don't assault the police because they're doing their jobs.
 
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