walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/96353934.html
I think the guy lost it but the girl is hindering the arrest.
I think the guy lost it but the girl is hindering the arrest.
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Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
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thecomicbookguy
Nobody.
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
A) Don't jaywalk in Seattle
B) Just take the * citation and walk away. Unless Seattle is extremely hardcore about it, it's just a fine, not an arrest. Why bother fighting with the cop like that?
At least no one will play the race card.
A) Don't jaywalk in Seattle
B) Just take the * citation and walk away. Unless Seattle is extremely hardcore about it, it's just a fine, not an arrest. Why bother fighting with the cop like that?
At least no one will play the race card.
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
Having been there and done that -- the officer showed amazing restraint while trying to arrest the woman in the blue top. He could have used much more force in trying to subdue her and would have been justified in doing so.
As far as I am concerned, he also had every right to defend himself after the second woman assaulted him and appeared to have tried to help the other woman escape arrest.
My question is -- where the hell were other officers? Did he call for backup or did he just assume that he could make the arrest on his own?
I can speak from personal experience that trying to arrest a woman can be more difficult that arresting a hard-core biker type.
Having been there and done that -- the officer showed amazing restraint while trying to arrest the woman in the blue top. He could have used much more force in trying to subdue her and would have been justified in doing so.
As far as I am concerned, he also had every right to defend himself after the second woman assaulted him and appeared to have tried to help the other woman escape arrest.
My question is -- where the hell were other officers? Did he call for backup or did he just assume that he could make the arrest on his own?
I can speak from personal experience that trying to arrest a woman can be more difficult that arresting a hard-core biker type.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
I've read of a lot of cop excesses and personally lean toward more testing or something before some people can be given such authority.
This is not one of those situations. Just take the stupid citation for $75 and worry about it later. Regardless of what you're being accused of, no good can ever come from resisting a cop at the scene, and the gloves can and should come off if you're stupid enough to actually *assault* him.
I've read of a lot of cop excesses and personally lean toward more testing or something before some people can be given such authority.
This is not one of those situations. Just take the stupid citation for $75 and worry about it later. Regardless of what you're being accused of, no good can ever come from resisting a cop at the scene, and the gloves can and should come off if you're stupid enough to actually *assault* him.
DisplacedCornellian
Let's Go Red!
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
Yup. She's lucky she didn't get a face full of OC spray, or tasered.
Yup. She's lucky she didn't get a face full of OC spray, or tasered.
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
I think 17 yr olds in general should be tasered/beaten/etc just to keep them in line. Stupid kids!
I think 17 yr olds in general should be tasered/beaten/etc just to keep them in line. Stupid kids!
Handyman
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Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
That's not why the kid got shot.
Every report for that incident involved a large group of people throwing rocks at an officer.
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That's not why the kid got shot.
Every report for that incident involved a large group of people throwing rocks at an officer.
thecomicbookguy
Nobody.
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
Seattle cops. Apparently they are ridiculously strict about it.
I don't necessarily agree with all of this writer's points, but it is a good example of how bad it is there: http://tqed.com/archives/000081.jsp
Seattle cops. Apparently they are ridiculously strict about it.
I don't necessarily agree with all of this writer's points, but it is a good example of how bad it is there: http://tqed.com/archives/000081.jsp
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
Every report? That makes one...the one supplied by the border guards themselves before it was known there was video of the incident.
And indeed, the video refutes the border guards report (the position of CNN and a handful of other media outlets that have the video) and per CNN, shows that the kid was running further into Mexico.
IMO its appropriate to use necessary but basic force to secure justice as was done in Seattle...its not to kill someone to eliminate any chance of that justice.
Every report? That makes one...the one supplied by the border guards themselves before it was known there was video of the incident.
And indeed, the video refutes the border guards report (the position of CNN and a handful of other media outlets that have the video) and per CNN, shows that the kid was running further into Mexico.
IMO its appropriate to use necessary but basic force to secure justice as was done in Seattle...its not to kill someone to eliminate any chance of that justice.
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Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
I have to side with the cop on this one, sort of. I understand the jaywalking charge, but think it may be a little heavy-handed. However once she's getting arrested and the girl in pink gets involved and he's surrounded by idiots with camera's, I have to side with him to get control of the situation.
I have to side with the cop on this one, sort of. I understand the jaywalking charge, but think it may be a little heavy-handed. However once she's getting arrested and the girl in pink gets involved and he's surrounded by idiots with camera's, I have to side with him to get control of the situation.
JF_Gophers
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Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
Isn't death a form of justice?
Isn't death a form of justice?
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
Assuming youre serious.
Its only justice if both the punishment matches the crime...and there is a process to determine whether it does or not. When you subscribe to innocent until proven guilty, justice does not mean killing someone before they can be judged. In addition, in this case there is the whole question of whether the punishment of death matched the crime.
Isn't death a form of justice?
Assuming youre serious.
Its only justice if both the punishment matches the crime...and there is a process to determine whether it does or not. When you subscribe to innocent until proven guilty, justice does not mean killing someone before they can be judged. In addition, in this case there is the whole question of whether the punishment of death matched the crime.
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Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
It sounds like you would claim that there is no situation at all where it's okay for a cop to kill someone, since that person wouldn't have been sentenced by a judge and jury prior to the killing.
That's nice in a law classroom, but on the streets, the cops have the right - the duty, even - to protect themselves. If they tell a suspect at a drug bust to freeze, and the guy reaches inside his jacket, then in my book they would be perfectly justified in shooting him. I don't care if it turns out the guy was reaching for a breath mint - in my mind, that's an appropriate use of force.
It sounds like you would claim that there is no situation at all where it's okay for a cop to kill someone, since that person wouldn't have been sentenced by a judge and jury prior to the killing.
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
Did I say that? The cop gets and deserves his own justice. If the cop killed the kid in self defense...then justice will be with him and all will resolve in an appropriate manner. If self defense was not an issue, then justice will still be applied appropriately but might in this case result in severe punishment for the cop. Its not perfect, but justice plays an important role in resolving the outcome.
But it looks like your scenario doesn't have much to do with the border guard killing...as its looking increasingly that there was no self defense involved.
Did I say that? The cop gets and deserves his own justice. If the cop killed the kid in self defense...then justice will be with him and all will resolve in an appropriate manner. If self defense was not an issue, then justice will still be applied appropriately but might in this case result in severe punishment for the cop. Its not perfect, but justice plays an important role in resolving the outcome.
But it looks like your scenario doesn't have much to do with the border guard killing...as its looking increasingly that there was no self defense involved.
Puck Swami
New member
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
The cop was doing the best he could under a tough, outnumbered situation in a hostile environment. He could have gone to his baton, taser and even his gun, but he never did. He was trying very hard to control the situation without escalating it, and decisions are being made in realtime, not in hindsight.
Those girls obviously have no respect for law enforcement. Interfering with a policeman while he's arresting someone else is a very dangerous situation, and the girl in pink deserved what she got.
The only question I have on this is did the policeman seem to lack some training in proper arm restraints? or perhaps he was afraid of hurting the original girl? Maybe SteveP or others that have had law enforcement experience can answer this better....
The cop was doing the best he could under a tough, outnumbered situation in a hostile environment. He could have gone to his baton, taser and even his gun, but he never did. He was trying very hard to control the situation without escalating it, and decisions are being made in realtime, not in hindsight.
Those girls obviously have no respect for law enforcement. Interfering with a policeman while he's arresting someone else is a very dangerous situation, and the girl in pink deserved what she got.
The only question I have on this is did the policeman seem to lack some training in proper arm restraints? or perhaps he was afraid of hurting the original girl? Maybe SteveP or others that have had law enforcement experience can answer this better....
MikeAnderson
Heavyweight Champion of My House
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
Interesting side note: In Illinois the person filming would be arrested (filming a cop is illegal in IL) and the evidence would be inadmissible against the officer.
Interesting side note: In Illinois the person filming would be arrested (filming a cop is illegal in IL) and the evidence would be inadmissible against the officer.
Re: Cop trys to handcuff a 17 yr old, is he over the line?
I wasn't going to bring that up, but my wife (also an ex-officer) and I both said he needs to brush up on his restraint techniques.
Having said that, again I speak from personal experience when I say that trying to arrest and handcuff a woman can (and usually is) more difficult that dealing with a biker type.
I wasn't going to bring that up, but my wife (also an ex-officer) and I both said he needs to brush up on his restraint techniques.
Having said that, again I speak from personal experience when I say that trying to arrest and handcuff a woman can (and usually is) more difficult that dealing with a biker type.