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First off, I don't think that small business owners are the ones that people are thinking about when they think of rich people not paying enough taxes.

Does it really matter who people are "thinking about"? Isn't it far more important, who actually will be affected?

Most small business owners report their business income on their personal tax returns; while larger corporations file a separate tax return.

Now, if you believe that small business owners will be disproportionately effected by a raise in their personal income tax (not talking about the business, but their own take home), I'd have to wonder how that would effect their employees in the way you are implying. The tax hike would be on people making more than $250k a year.

This isn't about what I believe. If you have $15 million invested in a business, why keep it there? Why not just sell it and invest the $15 million somewhere else? if you can earn a measly 2% on your money, you'd need the business to generate $300,000 in profits to make it "worth it" to keep it going, no? Otherwise, why even bother?

More importantly, it's not the increase in the tax rate, it's singling out this one group of people for vilification that is the real problem. What's the point of expanding a business if a second-term Obama is just going to confiscate all the profits? You wonder why job growth is slow? all these new regulations make it more and more and more expensive to hire people! You make something cost more, you get less of it, right?

If you're making that kind of jack, it seems unlikely that paying a bit more is gonna send you spiraling into personal bankruptcy. To be clear, we're not talking about someone here who owns a lawn cutting business or a boutique with 10 employees. It's VERY unlikely that those people are paying themselves $250k per year.

It's not unusual for ordinary people not to understand the difference between who nominally pays the tax, and who actually bears the burden of a tax. Many small businesses pay their employees bonuses based on a percentage of after-tax profits (yes, most small business owners are happy to distribute the fruits of their success to the people who made that success possible!). If you increase the tax on business profits (reported on personal tax returns even though it is business income), then you necessarily reduce after-tax profits, which means you reduce everyone's bonus. So even though the so-called "rich" are paying the tax, all of their employees are actually burdened by the tax in the form of a lower bonus than they otherwise would receive.

Do you really expect anyone to feel bad for those poor, poor rich folk?

No, that's just silly. Yet with all this talk of "fairness", don't you think it is a bit unfair to single them out and say they are doing something wrong by being successful? why isn't he railing about the salaries paid to pro athletes and entertainers, they are a lot, lot richer than these business owners!

why stop at raising taxes on people who report their business income on their personal tax returns if it is over $250,000? why not also introduce a new supplemental income tax rate on income above $5 million? It wouldn't be because those people are disproportionately democrats by any chance, would it?
 
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Is the incumbent party convention always second? In the 80's it always seemed like the Dems were the warm-up act to the GOP.
 
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Amusing how the lasting memory of the RNC 2012 will be Clint Eastwood talking to himself on stage in a spot on Grampa Simpson impersonation! I know the usual media lemmings will spin this as a brilliant tactical ploy, but I can't think they wanted this to happen.

Hilariously the guy does sum up conservatives. Old, white, wealthy, and grouchy.

Regarding Romney, he delivered a 'quarterly earnings' speech that CEO's deliver to investors every 3 months. Not bad by any stretch, not great, but just there. After the Eastwood debacle, I guess anything would look good. ;)
 
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Did they seriously have an 82 year old man talk to an empty chair and think it clever?
 
Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

Amusing how the lasting memory of the RNC 2012 will be Clint Eastwood talking to himself on stage in a spot on Grampa Simpson impersonation! I know the usual media lemmings will spin this as a brilliant tactical ploy, but I can't think they wanted this to happen.

Hilariously the guy does sum up conservatives. Old, white, wealthy, and grouchy.

Regarding Romney, he delivered a 'quarterly earnings' speech that CEO's deliver to investors every 3 months. Not bad by any stretch, not great, but just there. After the Eastwood debacle, I guess anything would look good. ;)

Every Romney speech I've seen begins like a poorly-timed visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses and ends like a slick but vacant ad for mutual funds.

Ryan connects very well and always sounds like he's talking substance (even when he's just repeating fallacious talking points). This is like 2004 more and more: their best bet is for the charismatic albeit sleazy Veep to make all the speeches and the wooden, wind-up nominee to hide in an undisclosed location.
 
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Why does Romney want to start a war with Russia?
Jobs.

This is what happens when a trust fund kid with no foreign policy experience, education, or interest gets handed a speech by some tinfoil "expert" and run out there on a gurney. He winds up sounding like a cross between Joe Liebermann and Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
 
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Yeah, they did. And they can't say they didn't know what he was doing cause the chair was out there on the stage.
It was a brown chair, too. ;)

That sucker should go straight to the Smithsonian. They can stuff Dirty Harry and put him next to it later.
 
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Amusing how the lasting memory of the RNC 2012 will be Clint Eastwood talking to himself on stage in a spot on Grampa Simpson impersonation! I know the usual media lemmings will spin this as a brilliant tactical ploy, but I can't think they wanted this to happen.

Hilariously the guy does sum up conservatives. Old, white, wealthy, and grouchy.

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Some comedian had a funny line about Clint Eastwood is now arguing with a vending machine backstage. :D

Flaming liberal William Krystol also brought up something interesting and ****ing. Absolutely no shout out for the troops fighting the war in Afghanistan out of The Mittster.
 
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Flaming liberal William Krystol also brought up something interesting and ****ing. Absolutely no shout out for the troops fighting the war in Afghanistan out of The Mittster.

MSNBC pointed that out as well. Pretty freaking sad for the guy that wants War with Iran and Russia.
 
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Flaming liberal William Krystol also brought up something interesting and ****ing. Absolutely no shout out for the troops fighting the war in Afghanistan out of The Mittster.

I hate those kind of criticisms. Do people really think Romney doesn't support the troops or understand the gravity of having them committed to that conflict?

I have to call BS on it. I hate it when they say stuff like that about Obama, and it's just as bad here. It smacks of "you did not properly genuflect, therefore you are heretic!!!"
 
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Eh, you feel better once you realize that the RNC was on about 8 channels and if you add those up, it's not even close.
I understand that, but even being within 1/8000th, let alone 1/8th, is too close.
 
First off, I don't think that small business owners are the ones that people are thinking about when they think of rich people not paying enough taxes.

Now, if you believe that small business owners will be disproportionately effected by a raise in their personal income tax (not talking about the business, but their own take home), I'd have to wonder how that would effect their employees in the way you are implying. The tax hike would be on people making more than $250k a year.

If you're making that kind of jack, it seems unlikely that paying a bit more is gonna send you spiraling into personal bankruptcy. To be clear, we're not talking about someone here who owns a lawn cutting business or a boutique with 10 employees. It's VERY unlikely that those people are paying themselves $250k per year.
Yeah I don't think anywhere is anyone talking about small business owners paying more. It's about things like eliminating the capital gains tax and raising the rate on the upper brackets. It's not about punishing them its just getting them to pay a share for once.
 
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