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Conspiracy Theory Du Jour

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Kepler said:
I honestly do not think there is a single person who cares who doubts the CIA murdered JFK. Most people just can't conceive of it and tragically many other people at this point don't care.

Let's see: a highly secretive and designedly conspiratorial entity that regularly murdered people it perceived to be threats against the United States, and which considered itself vital to American security, came under scrutiny by a person who was subsequently murdered? Huh. What are the odds?

However, JFK wasn't "fighting for peace over endless war." He was a true blue cold war liberal -- he believed in the dominoes and was rabidly anti-Chinese. On foreign policy he was a hawk and neurotically anti-Communist.
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I agree with all of this but the Cold War hawk part. In 1951 he met ed gullion in vietnam and their conversation about the French and Ho Chi Minh changed jfk’s views. He came to sympathize with nationalists over colonial powers; see JFK Ordeal in Africa by Richard Mahoney, Kennedy, Johnson and the non-aligned world by Robert Rakove, , battling Wallstreet by Donald Gibson etc...he gave a speech in 1957 in the senate that bashed France on Algeria and bashed the Dulles/Eisenhower foreign policy in Southeast Asia.

He had back channel talks going with kruschev and Castro and the cia was monitoring both talks. He wanted peace and he received bullets for it.

He had in the end more in common with his enemies in working toward peace than he did at home with the cia and pentagon plotting against his every move.

His foreign policy especially with regard to Indonesia, Africa and the Middle East has been buried because once you see it and read the transcripts and interviews it becomes clear why he was killed.

OTOH, he kept a deliberate somewhat hawkish public stance because he wanted to win re-election and move fast out of Vietnam etc then.

And he also was well aware he was in serious trouble with the cia and military. His public comments were partly for cover. If you check out the books I think you may agree
 
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This is a good read. I naively assumed that 98% of these people were just goofing around. Spoiler: they aren't.
 
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Hey Sic, did you call into Rush today? Heard a caller with a theory straight from your computer:

Hillary's private email server was hacked by the Russians in a long game plotted by Hillary to set up Trump and the Russians. Obama, by not publishing the information, colluded with Hillary on this scheme. It's all Hillary's fault that Trump is connected to Russia.

But in the same breath, there's no Trump/Russia connection. Trump is clean.
 
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https://t.co/imsb5Hmcxm?amp=1

Robert Jr. has been saying this for years but no-one listens. We’ll see if NY Times reviews his book.

So far the quoted statements match what both James Douglass and David Talbot had uncovered on their own.
 
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solovsfett said:
https://t.co/imsb5Hmcxm?amp=1

Robert Jr. has been saying this for years but no-one listens. We’ll see if NY Times reviews his book.

So far the quoted statements match what both James Douglass and David Talbot had uncovered on their own.
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The CIA obviously murdered JFK. I can't see any reason to doubt this at all.

When everybody involved, including those who helped keep the curtain drawn for decades, is finally dead we might be permitted the truth, though the Agency itself obviously has a strong institutional incentive to bury it. Eventually a foreign intelligence service will allow it to leak.
 
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Kepler said:
The CIA obviously murdered JFK. I can't see any reason to doubt this at all.

When everybody involved, including those who helped keep the curtain drawn for decades, is finally dead we might be permitted the truth, though the Agency itself obviously has a strong institutional incentive to bury it. Eventually a foreign intelligence service will allow it to leak.
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It’s refreshing to see Robert take this step.

...That would be amazing if say Cuban or say French intelligence people were to say “hey guys, take a look at these photos and transcripts...”

I do know that house investigators went to Cuba in 1978 and mentioned to Castro that they were stonewalled by cia re Mexico City photos of the Cuban consulate...Castro made a call and within a day HSCA investigators saw photos from the Cuban consulate of the cia people across the street taking pictures through the slats of window blinds.

It embarrassed the hell out of the cia liaison to the HSCA.😆
 
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Didn't the CIA f ck JFK over in the Bay of Pigs operation?
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I always thought they saved his bacon against his will, but my knowledge of that region is spotty. The cold warriors wanted a statement win with regime change and the Cuban ex-pats bankrolling it were all Batista swine way worse than Castro. The Agency's analysts understood it was a terrible idea politically with the rest of the region so they baked in failure. That embarrassed the cold warriors like JFK (and didn't make Ike look any too good either, BTW) but it helped stabilize the region.

God only know what Central America and even South America would look like today if we'd fought Vietnam in the f-cking Caribbean. It would probably be Venezuela from Tabasco to Bogota. The Agency did good, for once.

I think it's one of the reasons the Agency decided to kill him, actually, but the real decision was made when he announced he would go after them for their sideline covert ops that they'd somehow neglected to tell the USG about.
 
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Didn't the CIA f ck JFK over in the Bay of Pigs operation?
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It was authorized by Eisenhower. 700-800 Cubans and some cia people would land and would be augmented by Cubans on the island joining the cause. When they presented the plan to jfk they all but assured a cakewalk but the plan had ballooned to 1200-1400 exiles landing + air support.

JFK told Dulles and Bissell straight way “no planes, no noise”. When he did that the cia fumed. So they moved the invasion site to the swampland area known as the bay of pigs. The thought was JFK would be forced to call air strikes when the Cubans were bogged down. He didn’t, he kept his word, no planes.

JFK said the cia lies to him. Dulles, Bissell, Cabell and many others called the president a traitor and coward. Brigade 2506 hated his guts but what they didn’t know is the plan was destined to fail as acknowledged in a suppressed IG report AND a military review. Dulles didn’t consult the military.

3 month’s into Hs presidency he made enemies who would never forget but don’t be fooled about the bay of pigs. It was the cia’s Fault it failed. **** planning, and circumventing potus etc not to mention this. Miami newspapers all but broadcast the invasion was coming.

My mom and grandparents were still living on the island at the time. She distinctly recalls convoys of Cuban army moving past her farming village up to that area of the bay of pigs in the weeks preceding the invasion. It was no surprise at all and Dulles who couldn’t be bothered to be at Langley or The Farm that weekend blamed it JFK. The audacity is stunning and that’s one of a half dozen reasons why the president said he wanted to “shatter the cia into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind”
 
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They also put a US guy in charge of South Vietnam by killing Diem.
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Truth. There’s a lot to it but suffice to say Henry Cabot Lodge screwed Kennedy over by failing time and again to meet with Diem in 63. It was insubordination bordering on sedition what the inner circle was doing to the Kennedy brothers.
 
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Truth. There’s a lot to it but suffice to say Henry Cabot Lodge screwed Kennedy over by failing time and again to meet with Diem in 63. It was insubordination bordering on sedition what the inner circle was doing to the Kennedy brothers.
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Ah - the Deep State!!
 
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