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Conspiracy Theory Du Jour

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I like this one.

According to Clifford G. Gaddy, however, the “obvious” headlines may obscure a “much bigger and more twisted story”.
Gaddy is an economist specialising in Russia, a senior fellow in foreign policy at the respected Brookings Insitute thinktank, and the co-author of a number of books including Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin.

He believes the Russians leaked the information as a message directed at the Americans and other western political leaders — the ones whose information was not contained in the leaks.

“The message is: ‘We have information on your financial misdeeds, too. You know we do. We can keep them secret if you work with us’,” Gaddy writes.

“In other words, the individuals mentioned in the documents are not the targets. The ones who are not mentioned are the targets.”
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Jimjamesak said:
I mean, this one actually has some plausibility. It's still far fetched but, unlike most conspiracy theories, it has a tinge of believability.
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That's why I like it. It doesn't exactly eat its own tail, but it kinda snuggles up to it. :o
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
I have another friend who's a militant anti-vaxxer, and believes DeNiro's crap about vaccine "injury."
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I was about to ask whether anybody knew an actual person who believes that stuff. I know a large number of climate deniers and a smaller but still depressing number of actual, not kidding around, young earth creationists (oddly enough, they are not the same people), but I don't know anybody stupid, crazy and/or paranoid enough to fall for the anti-vax crap. I was about to chalk it up to the sort of Hollywood idiocy that gives people Scientology.
 
Kepler said:
I was about to ask whether anybody knew an actual person who believes that stuff. I know a large number of climate deniers and a smaller but still depressing number of actual, not kidding around, young earth creationists (oddly enough, they are not the same people), but I don't know anybody stupid, crazy and/or paranoid enough to fall for the anti-vax crap. I was about to chalk it up to the sort of Hollywood idiocy that gives people Scientology.
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I know 3 anti-vaxxers. It's depressing, the sh-t that comes out of their mouths.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
I know 3 anti-vaxxers. It's depressing, the sh-t that comes out of their mouths.
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Did they catch it from each other?

I'm kinda serious. People catch climate denial from the Echo Chamber and Creationism from the Christian Taliban. Where does anti-vax come from? I know various celebs spew it, but I can't imagine anybody over the age of 8 seriously considers anything that comes out of a celeb's mouth.
 
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Kepler said:
I know a large number of climate deniers and a smaller but still depressing number of actual, not kidding around, young earth creationists (oddly enough, they are not the same people), but I don't know anybody stupid, crazy and/or paranoid enough to fall for the anti-vax crap. I was about to chalk it up to the sort of Hollywood idiocy that gives people Scientology.
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I don't know any outright anti-vaxxers. Even my cousin and her husband down in Indiana, who are serious Baptists and often "let THE LORD prevail" on matters of headaches and colds, I'm pretty sure had their whole brood vaccinated so they could attend public school. Her husband is an elementary school teacher and they survive on his salary, so they couldn't afford private school, and it's not like they could home school without a lot of awkwardness. :)

They're actually one of the two arms of my family I wouldn't mind seeing more than once a year. Very nice people, just misguided with their manner of letting their religion rule their lives. They are raising their four kids very well, with the exception of the evangelical indoctrination.

My family has more than our share of the climate change deniers, since they always go hand-in-hand with neo-con political views. *sigh*
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
They're actually one of the two arms of my family I wouldn't mind seeing more than once a year. Very nice people, just misguided with their manner of letting their religion rule their lives. They are raising their four kids very well, with the exception of the evangelical indoctrination.
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I have co-workers like this. They're good people and even fairly smart, or at least business smart which is good for at least a C. They just had a birth defect: they grew up in households and communities that never got out of the 16th century. So these kind, genuine, sincere people who would give you the shirt off their back fervently believe in, and vote for, a system of government in the United States where gays would be institutionalized, birth control would be a felony, Christianity would be the official state religion, and Muslims would be imprisoned until deportation could be arranged.

The disconnect between their micro-behavior, where they would run into a burning building to save someone, and their macro-behavior, where they would vote to strip women of the right to control their own bodies, is nothing short of insane. That's the power of indoctrination.
 
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Kepler said:
I have co-workers like this. They're good people and even fairly smart, or at least business smart which is good for at least a C. They just had a birth defect: they grew up in households and communities that never got out of the 16th century. So these kind, genuine, sincere people who would give you the shirt off their back fervently believe in, and vote for, a system of government in the United States where gays would be institutionalized, birth control would be a felony, Christianity would be the official state religion, and Muslims would be imprisoned until deportation could be arranged.

The disconnect between their micro-behavior, where they would run into a burning building to save someone, and their macro-behavior, where they would vote to strip women of the right to control their own bodies, is nothing short of insane. That's the power of indoctrination.
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Hey, they're actually happier with their lives - scrimping and pinching his teacher's salary to feed, clothe, house, and raise four kids - than I am living alone on a salary that would be a king's ransom for them. What I can say?

Religion is not the answer, but I also know that money isn't either.
 
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Kepler said:
I was about to ask whether anybody knew an actual person who believes that stuff. I know a large number of climate deniers and a smaller but still depressing number of actual, not kidding around, young earth creationists (oddly enough, they are not the same people), but I don't know anybody stupid, crazy and/or paranoid enough to fall for the anti-vax crap. I was about to chalk it up to the sort of Hollywood idiocy that gives people Scientology.
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The ones I know are friends of friends. I am not sure they would be able to tolerate me as anything else. I was in a wedding a year ago where the bride's sister (who I was matched with) did not vaccinate any of their 4 children. She worked for a...I kid you not... "holistic dentist." Luckily I behaved, did not start any flame wars. It was weird to meet a family where the kids were not vaccinated and everyone in the extended family was cool with it. I feel if that **** happened in my family I would not be able to keep my mouth shut. I mean I have people with horrific opinions in my family but those do not directly affect children in the same way as antivaccine views do as they do not have the opportunity or knowledge to make a better decision.
 
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Kepler said:
Did they catch it from each other?

I'm kinda serious. People catch climate denial from the Echo Chamber and Creationism from the Christian Taliban. Where does anti-vax come from? I know various celebs spew it, but I can't imagine anybody over the age of 8 seriously considers anything that comes out of a celeb's mouth.
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I believe in creation so much as I believe something had to perturb something to start everything off. You can't have existence without something. I guess I'm more agnostic than anything.

Not to get into a religious debate. I stay out of the religion thread for a reason.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I believe in creation so much as I believe something had to perturb something to start everything off. You can't have existence without something. I guess I'm more agnostic than anything.

Not to get into a religious debate. I stay out of the religion thread for a reason.
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I've mentioned before, I think God went "here's a bunch of crap that I created, let's see what happens!" And then evolution kicked in. *shrug*
 
Kepler said:
Did they catch it from each other?

I'm kinda serious. People catch climate denial from the Echo Chamber and Creationism from the Christian Taliban. Where does anti-vax come from? I know various celebs spew it, but I can't imagine anybody over the age of 8 seriously considers anything that comes out of a celeb's mouth.
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They don't know each other. One gets her " information" from woo pages such as Dr. Tenpenny, one gets all her crap from Natural News, and the other was just a choice.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
They don't know each other. One gets her " information" from woo pages such as Dr. Tenpenny, one gets all her crap from Natural News, and the other was just a choice.
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I've got a sister who believes in a lot of woo. It's not her positions I mind so much (e.g., anti-GM) but that she comes by them by intuition rather than research (she doesn't know anything about chem or food science, she just "knows" :rolleyes: ).

She's not stupid or ignorant at all: straight A's, tier 1 school, educator (shiver), well-read. But she just falls for the whole "BIG FOOD is trying to poison us." Come to think of it, I've not asked her about her views on vax and now I'm afraid to.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I believe in creation so much as I believe something had to perturb something to start everything off.
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Believing in "creation" isn't the same as Creationism, which is an elaborate pseudo-science crammed full of BS and idiocy.

You can't have existence without something.
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Well, no matter what people believe, either something can come from nothing or the question is ill-framed. The problem with solving the ex nihil problem with a god is it just kicks the can back one step: from whence comes the god? Self-created? Then something from nothing is possible. Immortal? Then the universe could as easily be immortal. In each case, the supposition of a god is not required and doesn't add anything.

If people want to believe the invisible man lit the fuse on the big bang firecracker, vaya con Dios. Just don't pretend that it isn't one of any number of hypotheses with nothing to favor it.
 
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