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Completely Unwoven: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 4.0

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St. Clown said:
Ever since Bud sold out to the foreigners, they've been pushing their Americanism ancestry so hard that you'd think they're scared Drumpf will deport them.
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I think it has to do more with insecurity about how American beer drinkers are dumping them faster than during prohibition.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I think it has to do more with insecurity about how American beer drinkers are dumping them faster than during prohibition.
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Are they? That would be great if true.
 
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unofan said:
The Big 3 - Bud, Coors, and Miller - still dominate the market, but they lose 1-2% per year and the micro brewers pick that up.
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Only 1-2%? I thought they were down something like 20% over the last 5-7 years? Huh.
 
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Kepler said:
Are they? That would be great if true.
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Craft brewers are really picking up, especially in NY. Heck, a brewery actually opened up in the plaza across from the Planet Fitness. Get a workout, then get your drinkie on.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Craft brewers are really picking up, especially in NY. Heck, a brewery actually opened up in the plaza across from the Planet Fitness. Get a workout, then get your drinkie on.
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And we have the same in Michigan. Hank's Tavern, which serves nothing but craft beer, is in the same lot as Planet Fitness.

And I do the majority of my long distance races in Grand Rapids. I have options between Founders, Perrin, and quite a few others.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
And we have the same in Michigan. Hank's Tavern, which serves nothing but craft beer, is in the same lot as Planet Fitness.

And I do the majority of my long distance races in Grand Rapids. I have options between Founders, Perrin, and quite a few others.
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Although it's just a brewery and not really a taproom bar, there's one near Colgate University, in case anyone's planning a trip there. I've had at least one of their brews; not too bad.

Recently, homo started pushing tax breaks for craft beer and wine distributors in the state. Still doesn't make up for the insane sin taxes associated with it, though. Cheaper to go to NH and stock up if you're headed in that direction (even though you're supposed to pay sales/use tax).
 
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Only 1-2%? I thought they were down something like 20% over the last 5-7 years? Huh.
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Craft beer was at 11% in 2011 and 19% in 2015 according to a different article. So it's on the high end of my estimate.

Of course, a lot of this depends on how you classify certain things. The same article that says microbrews made up 19% in 2015 gave InBev and MillerCoors a combined 71% share, which I guess leaves the other 10% to imports. Or maybe things like Boston Beer Co., which might be too big to count as a micro brew anymore.
 
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unofan said:
Craft beer was at 11% in 2011 and 19% in 2015 according to a different article. So it's on the high end of my estimate.

Of course, a lot of this depends on how you classify certain things. The same article that says microbrews made up 19% in 2015 gave InBev and MillerCoors a combined 71% share, which I guess leaves the other 10% to imports. Or maybe things like Boston Beer Co., which might be too big to count as a micro brew anymore.
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You also have to consider micro-brews that these companies may own, too. I recall watching an episode of Undercover Boss Canada where one of the major brewers (can't remember if it was Labatt or Molson) owned some micro-brews, and the boss was undercover at the "micro".
 
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jerphisch said:
So Facebook, which isn't a news outlet should be unbiased, but sites like Breitbart, Washington Examiner, and Newsmax that claim to be actual news outlets shouldn't?
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Not exactly, Facebook merely should not pretend to be unbiased. Just be upfront and straightforward about it.

The New York Times weighs in, and actually comes to similar conclusions.

Headline: Facebook's Bias is Built-in, and Bears Watching.

...Facebook operates under a veneer of empiricism. Many people believe that what you see on Facebook represents some kind of data-mined objective truth unmolested by the subjective attitudes of fair-and-balanced human beings.

None of that is true.
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The biggest worry is that Facebook doesn't seem to recognize its own power, and doesn't think of itself as a news organization with a well-developed sense of institutional ethics and responsibility, or even a potential for bias.
....most of the stories Facebook presents to you are selected by its algorithms, but those algorithms are as infused with bias as any other human editorial decision.
....Everything you see on Facebook is therefore the product of [human] expertise and considered judgment, as well as their conscious and unconscious biases apart from possible malfeasance or potential corruption.
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You might recall that Facebook has run experiments with its "members" as guinea pigs before. (links to that news inside the NY Times link). and found that they could change people's attitudes merely by exposing them to different information.
 
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They made $1.7 billion? Holy ****.

That's just absurd. And they probably pay a lower tax rate than I do.
 
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St. Clown said:
Surprisingly enough, I checked Facebook and this story [Gizmodo] is trending.
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That's a standard response, no? "See, we're not biased, we're publishing a negative story about ourselves."

I'd be a lot more impressed if this story were trending....

Facebook employees contribute more to Hillary Clinton than to any other presidential candidate — and among the donors is an executive in charge of trending topics.

Clinton netted at least $114,000 from workers at the social-media giant who itemized their contributions
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At least 78 Facebook employees, who work on everything from engineering to marketing, have funneled cash to Clinton.

They include, Tom Stocky, a vice president whose team oversees trending topics. He donated $2,700, the maximum allowed, on Oct. 26 to Hillary for America, records show
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FreshFish said:
That's a standard response, no? "See, we're not biased, we're publishing a negative story about ourselves."

I'd be a lot more impressed if this story were trending....
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Why would you add anything to my original post?
 
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joecct said:
That's when we made stuff here.
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We actually still make a ton of stuff -- we're #2 in manufacturing in the world. Manufacturing jobs have cratered, not output, so the profit from that manufacturing doesn't go to the labor force anymore.

But it could. There's no law that says a service economy can't have the same good, high paying jobs as the manufacturing economy did. The US still has an enormous GNP. The problem is its distribution, not its size.

We've faced this same problem before, when the US industrialized and the ownership class got filthy rich while the labor class got squat. We fixed that with unions, collective action, labor laws, and progressive taxation. Nothing says we can't do that again except for the propaganda that has been foisted on us for 30 years that labor doesn't "deserve" a slice of the pie.

It's always the same old fight between the few and the many. The few always work hard to confuse the issue but eventually conditions become so terrible that the many wake up. That's what is happening now on both the left and the right. The Tipping Point will be when they realize that left vs right is a deliberate strategy.
 
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