hockeyplayer1015
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Also note they had a pretty **** good selection of teams there for traveling fanbases. I remember the SLU/BU game had a pretty good crowd from both sides, and of course Michigan/Maine will travel well almost anywhere.
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College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
- Thread starter Caustic Undertow
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Also note they had a pretty **** good selection of teams there for traveling fanbases. I remember the SLU/BU game had a pretty good crowd from both sides, and of course Michigan/Maine will travel well almost anywhere.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
Been to Albany for every Regional since Martin St. Louis was still wearing Vermont green, and I've yet to see that place more than half-full. (But they do create a fun atmosphere there, especially between games out in front of the building.)
Been to Albany for every Regional since Martin St. Louis was still wearing Vermont green, and I've yet to see that place more than half-full. (But they do create a fun atmosphere there, especially between games out in front of the building.)
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
I don’t mean to detour the thread, but does anyone know if the NCAA requirements (with regard to signage, beer sales etc.) are the same for basketball as they are for hockey? There’s a basketball Regional at the (Boston) TD Garden and I’m even more pizzed off that they can’t put together a decent Frozen Four proposal.
Many people have mentioned Boston as a great location for a FF and I think the NCAA would love to have it in Boston. But for the past two rounds of selection, Boston hasn’t put in a respectable bid. I assumed it was the signage problem and the lack of beer sales that caused them to put in a half-azzed (or no) effort into the proposal. The only difference I can see between basketball and hockey is getting rid of the logos under the ice.
I don’t mean to detour the thread, but does anyone know if the NCAA requirements (with regard to signage, beer sales etc.) are the same for basketball as they are for hockey? There’s a basketball Regional at the (Boston) TD Garden and I’m even more pizzed off that they can’t put together a decent Frozen Four proposal.
Many people have mentioned Boston as a great location for a FF and I think the NCAA would love to have it in Boston. But for the past two rounds of selection, Boston hasn’t put in a respectable bid. I assumed it was the signage problem and the lack of beer sales that caused them to put in a half-azzed (or no) effort into the proposal. The only difference I can see between basketball and hockey is getting rid of the logos under the ice.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
European soccer is a fairly poor comparison to American sports. European sports fans don't understand why Americans are obsessed with playoffs, and Americans don't understand how the most important thing to Europeans can be the regular season.
They'd probably tell you that the easiest answer to your playoff problem is to not have playoffs. Regular season champs only, stick them in a pool, one round robin round and award the winner. Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe 1 vs. 2 in the pool.
European soccer is a fairly poor comparison to American sports. European sports fans don't understand why Americans are obsessed with playoffs, and Americans don't understand how the most important thing to Europeans can be the regular season.
They'd probably tell you that the easiest answer to your playoff problem is to not have playoffs. Regular season champs only, stick them in a pool, one round robin round and award the winner. Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe 1 vs. 2 in the pool.
claver2010
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Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
Yes I have tickets to Thursday & Saturday at the garden and there's no beer, no court advertisements (outside of a BC logo as the school is hosting), etc. Do you know who in the past has put forth the big as "host" of the F4 in Boston?
I don’t mean to detour the thread, but does anyone know if the NCAA requirements (with regard to signage, beer sales etc.) are the same for basketball as they are for hockey? There’s a basketball Regional at the (Boston) TD Garden and I’m even more pizzed off that they can’t put together a decent Frozen Four proposal.
Many people have mentioned Boston as a great location for a FF and I think the NCAA would love to have it in Boston. But for the past two rounds of selection, Boston hasn’t put in a respectable bid. I assumed it was the signage problem and the lack of beer sales that caused them to put in a half-azzed (or no) effort into the proposal. The only difference I can see between basketball and hockey is getting rid of the logos under the ice.
Yes I have tickets to Thursday & Saturday at the garden and there's no beer, no court advertisements (outside of a BC logo as the school is hosting), etc. Do you know who in the past has put forth the big as "host" of the F4 in Boston?
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
I think BU was the host in the past (also often for Worcester before the more logical Holy Cross started doing it). The sponsor shouldn't be the problem -- for Ford Field, the CCHA co-sponsored, and there's no reason Hockey East could 't at least co-sponsor for Boston. I have to think it's the Garden itself that's the problem.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
bu was the host in 2004 (i know since i got tickets through bu using 'host' tickets)
bu was the host in 2004 (i know since i got tickets through bu using 'host' tickets)
claver2010
*****
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
Interesting. Safe to assume BU is doing the bids now?
I know BC isn't putting a bid through, one of the downsides of GDF not giving a $hit about the hockey program (The upside is he can't destroy it like he did the football program!)
Interesting. Safe to assume BU is doing the bids now?
I know BC isn't putting a bid through, one of the downsides of GDF not giving a $hit about the hockey program (The upside is he can't destroy it like he did the football program!)
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
The Europeans like their playoffs just fine, see UEFA Champions League and Europa League which are similar to the NCAA basketball tournament and NIT. The only real difference is that they run their "conference tournament" in parallel with the season as semi-seeded random draws rather than at its conclusion as seeded brackets, and the winner of that tournament goes into the lesser competition (the Europa League).
The Europeans like their playoffs just fine, see UEFA Champions League and Europa League which are similar to the NCAA basketball tournament and NIT. The only real difference is that they run their "conference tournament" in parallel with the season as semi-seeded random draws rather than at its conclusion as seeded brackets, and the winner of that tournament goes into the lesser competition (the Europa League).
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
There are teams which pretty much fill their home rinks every time they play. There are teams, often with small home seating capacities, which seldom sell out. Even the best choice of playoff venues is unlikely to significantly change this phenomenon.
Revenue is likely the most important factor in the survival of college hockey programs and surely the biggest obstacle to the growth of college hockey. For college hockey the potential for more money is in the media, not the gate [assuming governing organizations don't run off with all the T.V. revenue]. I would like to see more effort devoted to developing T.V. coverage of college hockey and less time spent parsing driving distances.
"What can be done?" How about facing reality and adopting a playoff schedule which does not butt heads with March madness - or at least one which lessens the conflict. College hockey should be able to generate some serious T.V. revenue if a series televising the most incompetent cooks in the U.S. can make money.
There are teams which pretty much fill their home rinks every time they play. There are teams, often with small home seating capacities, which seldom sell out. Even the best choice of playoff venues is unlikely to significantly change this phenomenon.
Revenue is likely the most important factor in the survival of college hockey programs and surely the biggest obstacle to the growth of college hockey. For college hockey the potential for more money is in the media, not the gate [assuming governing organizations don't run off with all the T.V. revenue]. I would like to see more effort devoted to developing T.V. coverage of college hockey and less time spent parsing driving distances.
"What can be done?" How about facing reality and adopting a playoff schedule which does not butt heads with March madness - or at least one which lessens the conflict. College hockey should be able to generate some serious T.V. revenue if a series televising the most incompetent cooks in the U.S. can make money.
Re: College Hockey's Playoff Problem.
I have not read through the whole thread yet, so someone might have already said some of what I am going to say. But here is my two cents:
I have no problem with the conference finals the way they are, at least for the two conferences I follow (ECAC and HEA) except for the fact that the ECAC is a sellout and has its finals in Atlantic City which is only like sort of close to one school. Every college sport has conference championships and the definitely need to exist.
Having the number one seeded team host the regionals I also feel is not a good idea, here are my reasons why:
1) schools have other sports some of which play in the same arena as hockey (ie basketball) or other things held in their hockey arenas and it would be rather difficult and annoying to plan everything around the chance that maybe your team would be a number one seed. This would be especially annoying for schools that play in bigger arenas that might be used for public events like concerts or shows.
2)Some schools have very small arenas if they were a number one seed the arenas would probably be too small to fit everyone that would be willing to go, and would be difficult for what ever TV network was covering the games to put enough cameras in to have a good telecast. I would rather have it in a big venue that might be only half full but everyone who wants to go can go then have it in a small venue that is completely full but there are lots of people who wanted to go that can't
3)You have to think of accommodations for people who have to travel and stay in hotels. If a school in the middle of nowhere gets a number seed and there are not many hotels around that might be a problem.
The last thing I want to say is that you have to remember that despite the sometimes popular belief the players on the team are actually in college and DO actually take classes!
So you can't really have a bunch of 3 or 5 game series for the whole tournament it would take to long. Trust me I would love it if the NCAA finals was like the pros but that is just not possible. It is a professional players job to play hockey. An NCAA players job is to go to school. Many of them will make it to the pros but many more will not and have to get a degree so they can get a job.
With all that said I think that maybe there are problems with how the tournament is held, but you must also realize that there are going to be problems with it no matter how you run it, and I think how they do it now is best for the student-athletes that are actually playing. There are probably better ways to do it for the fans, but that should not be what is considered most important.
I have not read through the whole thread yet, so someone might have already said some of what I am going to say. But here is my two cents:
I have no problem with the conference finals the way they are, at least for the two conferences I follow (ECAC and HEA) except for the fact that the ECAC is a sellout and has its finals in Atlantic City which is only like sort of close to one school. Every college sport has conference championships and the definitely need to exist.
Having the number one seeded team host the regionals I also feel is not a good idea, here are my reasons why:
1) schools have other sports some of which play in the same arena as hockey (ie basketball) or other things held in their hockey arenas and it would be rather difficult and annoying to plan everything around the chance that maybe your team would be a number one seed. This would be especially annoying for schools that play in bigger arenas that might be used for public events like concerts or shows.
2)Some schools have very small arenas if they were a number one seed the arenas would probably be too small to fit everyone that would be willing to go, and would be difficult for what ever TV network was covering the games to put enough cameras in to have a good telecast. I would rather have it in a big venue that might be only half full but everyone who wants to go can go then have it in a small venue that is completely full but there are lots of people who wanted to go that can't
3)You have to think of accommodations for people who have to travel and stay in hotels. If a school in the middle of nowhere gets a number seed and there are not many hotels around that might be a problem.
The last thing I want to say is that you have to remember that despite the sometimes popular belief the players on the team are actually in college and DO actually take classes!
So you can't really have a bunch of 3 or 5 game series for the whole tournament it would take to long. Trust me I would love it if the NCAA finals was like the pros but that is just not possible. It is a professional players job to play hockey. An NCAA players job is to go to school. Many of them will make it to the pros but many more will not and have to get a degree so they can get a job. With all that said I think that maybe there are problems with how the tournament is held, but you must also realize that there are going to be problems with it no matter how you run it, and I think how they do it now is best for the student-athletes that are actually playing. There are probably better ways to do it for the fans, but that should not be what is considered most important.