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College Hockey: By the Decade

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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
It's a legit argument. Kariya was on my ballot that I had for the All-Decade team. Ultimately, I think Kariya didn't make it for three reasons. First, he only played 51 games in the decade. Second, he quit on his team midway through his sophomore season (also the Maine-NCAA fiasco didn't help). Finally, there were a lot of very good forwards in the 1990s, and everyone on the list was deserving of their spot (IMO). Playing at an extremely high level for 4 years is probably more sought after by colleges than playing great for 1 year.
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I don't think it's fair to say that Kariya "quit on his team" during his sophomore year at Maine, and his departure from Maine in November-December 1993 had nothing to do with "the Maine-NCAA fiasco." He joined the Canadian national team because he wanted to play for his country in the 1994 Winter Olympics, and the coaching staff knew that summer that he intended to leave in mid-season.
 
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dwollstadt said:
I don't think it's fair to say that Kariya "quit on his team" during his sophomore year at Maine, and his departure from Maine in November-December 1993 had nothing to do with "the Maine-NCAA fiasco." He joined the Canadian national team because he wanted to play for his country in the 1994 Winter Olympics, and the coaching staff knew that summer that he intended to leave in mid-season.
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I was just relaying some of the comments from the others that didn't have Kariya on their ballots. I also wasn't trying to say that Kariya left because of the NCAA scandal, just that was another reason people left him off their ballots.
 
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I also find it a little odd that one of the allegedly 3 best forwards of the decade was never even a first team All-American, while some of the guys riding the pine behind him were 3 time AAs. Can someone explain that to me?
 
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LynahFan said:
I also find it a little odd that one of the allegedly 3 best forwards of the decade was never even a first team All-American, while some of the guys riding the pine behind him were 3 time AAs. Can someone explain that to me?
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Scoring the 4th most points in the history of college hockey and more than anyone else in the decade, along with captaining the greatest team in college hockey history, including scoring the game winning goal (his third of the game) in the National Championship is pretty darn good. I had him on my 1st Team ballot.
 
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LynahFan said:
I also find it a little odd that one of the allegedly 3 best forwards of the decade was never even a first team All-American, while some of the guys riding the pine behind him were 3 time AAs. Can someone explain that to me?
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Same numbers game that I had a problem with earlier. Since Kariya didn't score enough goals during the decade, he doesn't make the team. Since Montgomery did score the most, he must be the best. Rubbish. He still belonged on the first team, but got jobbed on the AA teams.
 
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UncleRay said:
Same numbers game that I had a problem with earlier. Since Kariya didn't score enough goals during the decade, he doesn't make the team. Since Montgomery did score the most, he must be the best. Rubbish.
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Would you rather have a great 4-year forward who averages 75 points/season, or a great 1-year forward who scores 100 points in that 1 season?
 
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The "rubbish" comment was about this type of list that looks at little more than one criteria. Monty was a very good player, and probably deserves to be on that short list, but I don't have the proper perspective, frankly. In all truthfulness, he was clearly helped to those lofty point totals by a team that was very high-powered throughout his career. Does that necessarily make him better than a player with fewer points who played on a team that wasn't as strong? If you "go by the numbers" it does.

And your comments, FS23, about "Maine/NCAA fiasco" and the desirability of a 4-year career are about politics that don't involve the abilities of the player, and a criteria not put forth in defining the list. Again, Kariya is clearly on my list of "best college hockey players from this past decade." I'll kick Drury - he was low-scorer on CHW's list. ;)
 
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As the Harvard radio commentator said of JC Ruid during one game, "My grandmother would score 50 points per season on a line with St. Louis and Perrin."
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Would you rather have a great 4-year forward who averages 75 points/season, or a great 1-year forward who scores 100 points in that 1 season?
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Fortunately, we didn't have to choose...we had both :D
 
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UncleRay said:
The "rubbish" comment was about this type of list that looks at little more than one criteria. Monty was a very good player, and probably deserves to be on that short list, but I don't have the proper perspective, frankly. In all truthfulness, he was clearly helped to those lofty point totals by a team that was very high-powered throughout his career. Does that necessarily make him better than a player with fewer points who played on a team that wasn't as strong? If you "go by the numbers" it does.

And your comments, FS23, about "Maine/NCAA fiasco" and the desirability of a 4-year career are about politics that don't involve the abilities of the player, and a criteria not put forth in defining the list. Again, Kariya is clearly on my list of "best college hockey players from this past decade." I'll kick Drury - he was low-scorer on CHN's list. ;)
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Drury (the lowest scorer as you noted) was the only unanimous 1st Teamer forward for this decade. That seems to go against the argument that points was the biggest factor. (BTW, CHW's list...not CHN's...although I'm sure CHW would love to be confused with CHN.)

As for my comments, those are not my sentiments, merely those expressed by some of the voters who didn't put Kariya on their ballot (Again, I had Kariya on my ballot).

Priceless said:
Fortunately, we didn't have to choose...we had both :D
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This is true. There is a reason why the 1993 Maine squad was so dominant.
 
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Good stuff.

FS23, what's your relationhip to this site? Is it yours? You write this stuff?
 
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ski said:
Good stuff.

FS23, what's your relationhip to this site? Is it yours? You write this stuff?
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I contribute to the site (basically that means that I get a vote on things, and am on the weekly conference call, along with a few other things). A group of friends of mine actually run and maintain the site. One of them usually writes the articles. I sometimes help with research, and I wrote the articles (and came up with the formula) for the "Greatest Teams" thread. I would love to do more, but I teach and I'm in law school right now, and that takes up the majority of my time. At one point there was talk that they would bring me on as an editor and have me write a weekly piece called "23s Take." I declined for two main reasons: 1) I don't think many people would care about my opinions, as it would probably focus more on western hockey than college hockey in general, and 2) I just don't have 5ish extra hours in a week to write an article.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I contribute to the site (basically that means that I get a vote on things, and am on the weekly conference call, along with a few other things). A group of friends of mine actually run and maintain the site. One of them usually writes the articles. I sometimes help with research, and I wrote the articles (and came up with the formula) for the "Greatest Teams" thread. I would love to do more, but I teach and I'm in law school right now, and that takes up the majority of my time. At one point there was talk that they would bring me on as an editor and have me write a weekly piece called "23s Take." I declined for two main reasons: 1) I don't think many people would care about my opinions, as it would probably focus more on western hockey than college hockey in general, and 2) I just don't have 5ish extra hours in a week to write an article.
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Reading through some of your posts, I assumed as much but thanks for the clarification. I do enjoy the site and the lists you guys come up with. You guys do a nice job. Pass it on.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
College Hockey Weekly has put out the Best Programs of the 1990s...

http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/1990s-Best-Programs.html
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Wow is Wisconsin rated high on that list!

My list was
#1 Michigan Wolverines
#2 Boston University Terriers
#3 Maine Black Bears
#4 Lake Superior State Lakers
#5 North Dakota Fighting Sioux
#6 Michigan State Spartans
#7 Minnesota Golden Gophers
#8 New Hampshire Wildcats
#9 Clarkson Golden Knights
#10 Boston College Eagles
#11 Wisconsin Badgers
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ETA: Ah, and now I see why. That list is 1990-1999 and I did 1991-2000, so it did not include Wisconsin's national title in 1990. It also accounts for LSSU's higher winning percentage.

The 1993 Frozen Four remains the only that featured all four of the top teams. That FF was amazing.
 
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