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College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
I don't see why ESPN would shell out that kind of money, but more power to Texas for getting it.
I don't see why ESPN would shell out that kind of money, but more power to Texas for getting it.
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
At this point, I'd be looking for the Increasingly Misnamed Big East to start sniffing at the (theoretical) scraps. Right now there's probably only room for three (and maybe only two, when April arrives), but Kansas, K-State and Mizzou are an intriguing trio to the league. If they're forced to take a Big XII pay cut because Texas is all people want, the lower-at-current Big East contract (though I'd look for that to increase in the next round of negotiations; ESPN doesn't want to lose its stranglehold on college hoops, and losing the Big East will be murder) will start to look pretty attractive. Sucks for Iowa State, though; then again, it sucks to be Iowa State in general. Should that happen, a split within the league will be inevitable (and will suck mightily for the Catholics, including the Domers, unless by some stroke of luck they pledge to commit to Big East football).
I figure the Big XII has five years in its current configuration, tops. My guess is, if they lose anyone, they'll try to shore up their numbers and pull some of the "best of the rest" into their camp; with the Oklahomas, Texas, A&M and Tech, the league will still be perceived as BCS-worthy even if the bottom end is Iowa State, Baylor, and, for the sake of argument, "getting the band back together" by nabbing Houston, SMU and Rice to feast upon (though I think if they're smart they'll make a play for at least Boise).
At this point, I'd be looking for the Increasingly Misnamed Big East to start sniffing at the (theoretical) scraps. Right now there's probably only room for three (and maybe only two, when April arrives), but Kansas, K-State and Mizzou are an intriguing trio to the league. If they're forced to take a Big XII pay cut because Texas is all people want, the lower-at-current Big East contract (though I'd look for that to increase in the next round of negotiations; ESPN doesn't want to lose its stranglehold on college hoops, and losing the Big East will be murder) will start to look pretty attractive. Sucks for Iowa State, though; then again, it sucks to be Iowa State in general. Should that happen, a split within the league will be inevitable (and will suck mightily for the Catholics, including the Domers, unless by some stroke of luck they pledge to commit to Big East football).
I figure the Big XII has five years in its current configuration, tops. My guess is, if they lose anyone, they'll try to shore up their numbers and pull some of the "best of the rest" into their camp; with the Oklahomas, Texas, A&M and Tech, the league will still be perceived as BCS-worthy even if the bottom end is Iowa State, Baylor, and, for the sake of argument, "getting the band back together" by nabbing Houston, SMU and Rice to feast upon (though I think if they're smart they'll make a play for at least Boise).
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
This is why BYU left the MWC as well. Their own network nationwide. Bigger schools like Texas, Michigan, USC, Georgia might see this as the wave of the future and will create their own network to sell to cable companies for insane amount of money. Special Sports Packages of specific colleges can not be far off.
This is why BYU left the MWC as well. Their own network nationwide. Bigger schools like Texas, Michigan, USC, Georgia might see this as the wave of the future and will create their own network to sell to cable companies for insane amount of money. Special Sports Packages of specific colleges can not be far off.
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Unsurprisingly, Oklahoma now wants their own channel as well.
Unsurprisingly, Oklahoma now wants their own channel as well.
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My own school confuses me, as I don't really think that Michigan would try to go off on their own. Texas is one thing- they have some traditional rivalries, sure. But half of the reason Michigan is watched as much as they are is that schools want to beat them on the field, court, ice, etc. So in that sense, Michigan is more valuable as part of a big group over a single entity. Yes, there is a large group of alumni, but this is one of those cases where you have to look at the best interest of the group to further your own needs.
OTOH, I would agree more about USC, BUT- I would have to defer to TBA to note the relative importance of their P10 "rivalries".
The way I see it, Georgia is more like UM than USC, in that the regional rivalries they have are bigger than expected.
Once the SWC collapsed, I think Texas could do what they want. And that continues today.
My own school confuses me, as I don't really think that Michigan would try to go off on their own. Texas is one thing- they have some traditional rivalries, sure. But half of the reason Michigan is watched as much as they are is that schools want to beat them on the field, court, ice, etc. So in that sense, Michigan is more valuable as part of a big group over a single entity. Yes, there is a large group of alumni, but this is one of those cases where you have to look at the best interest of the group to further your own needs.
OTOH, I would agree more about USC, BUT- I would have to defer to TBA to note the relative importance of their P10 "rivalries".
The way I see it, Georgia is more like UM than USC, in that the regional rivalries they have are bigger than expected.
Once the SWC collapsed, I think Texas could do what they want. And that continues today.
Kepler
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There may be a point where the whole idea of a conference is superfluous or even burdensome to the semi-pro schools. With economic independence comes political independence, or some such May '68 thing.
There may be a point where the whole idea of a conference is superfluous or even burdensome to the semi-pro schools. With economic independence comes political independence, or some such May '68 thing.
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I'd adopt a wait and see thing on the Texas Sports Network. Granted, its the same thing said about the BTN originally, but showing Purdue vs. Illinois football and Michigan vs. Penn State basketball is better then getting the leftovers of the Texas schedule. Is it as valuable if there are only two football games on the channel for a season, as opposed to 3 or 4 a week? No one's watching the educational crap or women's volleyball, even with Penn State's 211 game winning streak or whatever.
It might end up being closer to the NFL Network, where despite being the most popular sport in America and having half a dozen exclusive games a season, it's not really a must-have on basic networks.
I'd adopt a wait and see thing on the Texas Sports Network. Granted, its the same thing said about the BTN originally, but showing Purdue vs. Illinois football and Michigan vs. Penn State basketball is better then getting the leftovers of the Texas schedule. Is it as valuable if there are only two football games on the channel for a season, as opposed to 3 or 4 a week? No one's watching the educational crap or women's volleyball, even with Penn State's 211 game winning streak or whatever.
It might end up being closer to the NFL Network, where despite being the most popular sport in America and having half a dozen exclusive games a season, it's not really a must-have on basic networks.
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
No one cares about Oklahoma...hell if it wasn't for the Red River Rivalry I doubt anyone would even think of them. They like to think of themselves as the equal of Texas but they aren't. Texas is a brand in and of itself.
No one cares about Oklahoma...hell if it wasn't for the Red River Rivalry I doubt anyone would even think of them. They like to think of themselves as the equal of Texas but they aren't. Texas is a brand in and of itself.
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In recruiting news...ranking wise, Notre Dame into the top 10, some as high as top 3 with 3 big profile defensive commits in the last week. Need to see Kelly do more with this than Charlie did. Just like this past year, next season will depend more on the QB than anything else. Crist being hurt puts them into a wide-open 5-6 man race for starter that includes Everet Golson as an early admit to school, obviously Crist and Rees, along with the rest of the pack. Look for at least one defection out of there next year...they all can't play and if Rees doesn't get the nod I doubt he'll want to spend years on the bench after starting several games as a true frosh.
In recruiting news...ranking wise, Notre Dame into the top 10, some as high as top 3 with 3 big profile defensive commits in the last week. Need to see Kelly do more with this than Charlie did. Just like this past year, next season will depend more on the QB than anything else. Crist being hurt puts them into a wide-open 5-6 man race for starter that includes Everet Golson as an early admit to school, obviously Crist and Rees, along with the rest of the pack. Look for at least one defection out of there next year...they all can't play and if Rees doesn't get the nod I doubt he'll want to spend years on the bench after starting several games as a true frosh.
Proud2baLaker
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Doesnt Crist only have the 1 year left? He was listed as a junior this year and played most of the year so I dont think he can take an injury redshirt. If that is indeed the case i think Rees stays as he could challenge Crist for the starting spot and if he doesnt get it he should have the inside track for it his junior and senior years (unless some other upstart comes in). Floyd sticking around is great news. I wish Rudolph would have stayed though. I think the offense will probably be ok (can always have a better line though). It is the defense that usually struggles. Whats the story on Teo though? I know he will have his mission duties at some point in time. I wonder if that will become an issue and we will lose him for a year.
Doesnt Crist only have the 1 year left? He was listed as a junior this year and played most of the year so I dont think he can take an injury redshirt. If that is indeed the case i think Rees stays as he could challenge Crist for the starting spot and if he doesnt get it he should have the inside track for it his junior and senior years (unless some other upstart comes in). Floyd sticking around is great news. I wish Rudolph would have stayed though. I think the offense will probably be ok (can always have a better line though). It is the defense that usually struggles. Whats the story on Teo though? I know he will have his mission duties at some point in time. I wonder if that will become an issue and we will lose him for a year.
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ND lists players by their academic class, not their eligibility class. Crist took a conventional redshirt year, so he still has two years of eligibility remaining; anywhere else, he'd have been called a redshirt sophomore rather than a junior.
I'd like for Rudolph to have stayed too, but Eifert's production at the end of the season really lessens the blow significantly.
Te'o is not going to go on a mission. He has two years of eligibility remaining, but it's obviously not certain he'll stay for both of them.
ND lists players by their academic class, not their eligibility class. Crist took a conventional redshirt year, so he still has two years of eligibility remaining; anywhere else, he'd have been called a redshirt sophomore rather than a junior.
I'd like for Rudolph to have stayed too, but Eifert's production at the end of the season really lessens the blow significantly.
Te'o is not going to go on a mission. He has two years of eligibility remaining, but it's obviously not certain he'll stay for both of them.
Proud2baLaker
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Ok so Crist has the 2 years. However, I believe ND wont let you be a 5th year senior. So he would have to be taking graduate level courses to be using that last year of eligilbility. Which is possible but he could also leave early as well. Either way I think Rees should stick around.
Ok so Crist has the 2 years. However, I believe ND wont let you be a 5th year senior. So he would have to be taking graduate level courses to be using that last year of eligilbility. Which is possible but he could also leave early as well. Either way I think Rees should stick around.
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They may not be a national brand, but I doubt OU wants this network because they are, or think of themselves as, a national brand. They want this network for Oklahoma, and the bleedover spots in various other states. The state may only slightly more populated than Connecticut, but unlike Connecticut, OU has a much more rabid fanbase within the state, and little other competition for attention. This is a move to make the Sooners the unquestioned state's team (assuming that's not already true; I have no idea what the numbers look like, but I would wager OU is stronger), no doubt about it.
They may not be a national brand, but I doubt OU wants this network because they are, or think of themselves as, a national brand. They want this network for Oklahoma, and the bleedover spots in various other states. The state may only slightly more populated than Connecticut, but unlike Connecticut, OU has a much more rabid fanbase within the state, and little other competition for attention. This is a move to make the Sooners the unquestioned state's team (assuming that's not already true; I have no idea what the numbers look like, but I would wager OU is stronger), no doubt about it.
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Yes, that's correct, and it's business as usual for fifth-year players for the Irish. As far as I know, it's never been a practical barrier for a player who wanted a fifth year—rather, they would leave because the coaches didn't want them back or because they felt they were ready to go pro.
Proud2baLaker
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
I wish I could remember where I heard it but I know I heard and/or read somewhere that if someone was going to be using their final year of eligibility they would have to be taking graduate courses. Maybe I heard it wrong.
I wish I could remember where I heard it but I know I heard and/or read somewhere that if someone was going to be using their final year of eligibility they would have to be taking graduate courses. Maybe I heard it wrong.
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They have to apply for a 5th year and be accepted. 5 is the highest number of 5th years in recent history, iirc. Some, like Stewart this year, are grad students.
Saw that Clausen is back to get his degree this spring. Maybe he can sneak into and get some reps at spring practice so he throws more TD than Int next fall.
They have to apply for a 5th year and be accepted. 5 is the highest number of 5th years in recent history, iirc. Some, like Stewart this year, are grad students.
Saw that Clausen is back to get his degree this spring. Maybe he can sneak into and get some reps at spring practice so he throws more TD than Int next fall.
Kepler
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We got Tuitt back?
Wow. I'm not for drinking the Domer Off-Season Kool-Aid but... um, that D line? That's not going to suck. Aaron Lynch and Stephon Tuitt? Huh.
Throw in we stole Ishaq from The Old Man and that's a helluva class.
We got Tuitt back?
Wow. I'm not for drinking the Domer Off-Season Kool-Aid but... um, that D line? That's not going to suck. Aaron Lynch and Stephon Tuitt? Huh.
Throw in we stole Ishaq from The Old Man and that's a helluva class.
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Handyman
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Yeah except for a network like that to work they need more than the people of Oklahoma to buy into it. No one will. People might want a Texas Network (I doubt it) but no one outside of the state of OK will be calling their cable company or satellite provider protesting not getting this. They wont be able to give this away on either coast or in Big Ten Country and well I highly doubt most of the fans in the other Big Twelve States are gonna line up for this...they will laugh at them and not pretend to care.
Being the King of OK means zilch...they already are. They would be smarter to just become the darling of the Big Twelve Network since Texas will be gone in 3 years tops.
Yeah except for a network like that to work they need more than the people of Oklahoma to buy into it. No one will. People might want a Texas Network (I doubt it) but no one outside of the state of OK will be calling their cable company or satellite provider protesting not getting this. They wont be able to give this away on either coast or in Big Ten Country and well I highly doubt most of the fans in the other Big Twelve States are gonna line up for this...they will laugh at them and not pretend to care.
Being the King of OK means zilch...they already are. They would be smarter to just become the darling of the Big Twelve Network since Texas will be gone in 3 years tops.
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Yeah, recent history demonstrates that actual results may vary but, if Defense wins championships, at least they are getting some players on that side of the ball...their TE recruit has been upgraded to #1 in country after all the All star games, the kid Golson (QB) looks tremendous, they looked to be getting better instead of worse as the season ended which was the Weis trademark. Reason for cautious optimism...the terrible decisions at the end of games cost them at least 1 W last year, can't tell if that will be a constant theme or just the byproduct of having inexperienced QB's late in ball games being coached by a first year staff.
In all, better than it looked midway through the season, I thought it might come completely unraveled at more than one time...it may be a testament to his experience that they were able to re-focus, CW couldn't get them back on track once they took a knee to the balls.
Yeah, recent history demonstrates that actual results may vary but, if Defense wins championships, at least they are getting some players on that side of the ball...their TE recruit has been upgraded to #1 in country after all the All star games, the kid Golson (QB) looks tremendous, they looked to be getting better instead of worse as the season ended which was the Weis trademark. Reason for cautious optimism...the terrible decisions at the end of games cost them at least 1 W last year, can't tell if that will be a constant theme or just the byproduct of having inexperienced QB's late in ball games being coached by a first year staff.
In all, better than it looked midway through the season, I thought it might come completely unraveled at more than one time...it may be a testament to his experience that they were able to re-focus, CW couldn't get them back on track once they took a knee to the balls.