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College Football Players---Students or Employees?

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FreshFish said:
i wonder if not-for-profit entities can have for-profit subsidiaries?

Have all the football players get reclassified as majoring in "professional sports developmental program" or some such thing, then have the football programs become the minor leagues. Minimal disruption of facilities, major tax headache though for the colleges.
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I'd just say give up on the patina of academics entirely. Out here in SoCal, and I'm sure lots of other places, there are many corporate leagues (soccer, softball, beach volleyball, etc), where the nerds from Lockheed can really give the business to the dorks from Boeing. You could do the same thing among college employees, just with a slightly higher demand for tickets and TV rights. Just start up a new National Collegiate Corporate Football Association (NCCFA) to administer some basic eligibility rules (keep the 5 year eligibility, must be an employee of the university), and you're good to go. So long as you plow any "profits" back into the operation of the university, I don't see why you'd need to stand up a separate for-profit subsidiary. Universities are allowed to raise revenues in all sorts of ways - selling tickets, merchandise, and TV rights aren't that different from selling parking passes or charging library fines.
 
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Question for those who are looking for Medical Coverage for athletes:

How do we keep boosters from corrupting the crap out of the system... Something like "Oh you got a bruise during the National Title Game we won... Here's $50k/year for the next 10 years"... This just seems like a way to allow more garbage to go on at schools in the B1G, $EC, ect... Good on paper, but probably horrible in practice...
 
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RaceBoarder said:
Question for those who are looking for Medical Coverage for athletes:

How do we keep boosters from corrupting the crap out of the system... Something like "Oh you got a bruise during the National Title Game we won... Here's $50k/year for the next 10 years"... This just seems like a way to allow more garbage to go on at schools in the B1G, $EC, ect... Good on paper, but probably horrible in practice...
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There is medical insurance for the SA until he / she graduates / leaves school. Then you're on parents' policy until you're 26.

What I believe the key is who pays for catastrophic injuries / rehab / long term care / loss of income when the SA leaves school? If the athlete is an employee, then the obligation falls to the employer. If he/she is a "student athlete" (a term invented by the NCAA to get out of the employer/employee relationship) then the onus is on the student.

You need to watch the movie "Schooled". It is interesting. Pro student, anti NCAA, but it does open ones eyes (and mind).
 
RaceBoarder said:
Question for those who are looking for Medical Coverage for athletes:

How do we keep boosters from corrupting the crap out of the system... Something like "Oh you got a bruise during the National Title Game we won... Here's $50k/year for the next 10 years"... This just seems like a way to allow more garbage to go on at schools in the B1G, $EC, ect... Good on paper, but probably horrible in practice...
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Why would that be any different from what happens presently? Why are boosters any more likely to get involved with health insurance?
 
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If these students don't have the money to eat, or do laundry, or go home....where do they get the money for all the tatoos they have?
 
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Students or employees? I'd say they are closer to mercenaries than anything else, at least at all the BCS conferences (or whatever we're going to call them going forward) and even a few schools outside of the most successful conferences.
 
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FreshFish said:
i wonder if not-for-profit entities can have for-profit subsidiaries?

Have all the football players get reclassified as majoring in "professional sports developmental program" or some such thing, then have the football programs become the minor leagues. Minimal disruption of facilities, major tax headache though for the colleges.
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Well, I suppose that it could be like the NFL: the league is not-for-profit, but the franchises are for-profit.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I'm hoping they aim big and NDSU's football team takes the fall. :D
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From your lips to God's Ear! ;)



Truthfully, that does make a whole lot of sense to me. There's plenty of alumni and other assorted rich fans who are pretty comfortable and could easily eat losing somewhere between $5,000 to $20,000 a year in their taxes and not have that hurt them too much. And hell, helping out the family with not really that flashy of things would be the way to go with it. It could easily happen at about any decent college football program out there.
 
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I sat near the Union rooting section, and there was one student aged person with a sign "Pay College Athletes". Seemed odd to me that it was a Union College supporter, a fan of the one of the four finalists that purports not to give what some people would refer to as "adequate compensation" now.
 
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On a related note, the NCAA recently adopted a measure that would allow for unlimited meals and snacks for student-athletes. Three quick thoughts:

1.- The only schools that can afford to do this are the ones that already have boosters paying their athletes
2.- "student-athletes" really just means football players
3.- No one is going hungry in college athletics. If a student-athlete doesn't have meal plan as part of their scholarship, this measure changes nothing; schools aren't going to magically have the funds all of a sudden.

Just another attempt by the NCAA to make it look like they care about student-athletes.
 
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No, this is a PR move to clear up this blatant lie that athletes are going hungry.

Which was complete and utter bulls***t. That UConn basketball player was absolutely lying.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
No, this is a PR move to clear up this blatant lie that athletes are going hungry.

Which was complete and utter bulls***t. That UConn basketball player was absolutely lying.
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You don't know that. Did you know it was an NCAA violation to put too much cream cheese on your bagel if you're a scholarship athlete? I mean, OTHER students aren't allowed such a generous schmear.

Meanwhile, the NCAA continues to play "Open Mouth, Insert Foot."

"If I can hire someone to play football for me why would I hire an 18 year old? Why not someone who plays in the CFL?" -- Mark Emmert

For more amusing tidbits check the #AskEmmert tag on twitter, or visit Deadspin.
http://deadspin.com/the-askemmert-q-a-is-going-poorly-1564610605

Here's a question: how can the NCAA "be there" for those who want to/can go pro without allowing them to seek contract help?

Why are coaches allowed to leave whenever they want, but athletes are held back by transfer rules?

Can you explain amateurism and not paying players without using circular logic?

How benevolent did you feel when you allowed some of the best athletes on earth to have seconds at dinner. Do you expect a Nobel?

do you not want kids to unionize because that might mean you actually have to give kids money for using their likeness?
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dxmnkd316 said:
No, this is a PR move to clear up this blatant lie that athletes are going hungry.

Which was complete and utter bulls***t. That UConn basketball player was absolutely lying.
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I don't quite understand your animosity towards these players. The same things are always said about underprivileged groups in this country because people don't understand what it is like to walk in their shoes.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I don't quite understand your animosity towards these players. The same things are always said about underprivileged groups in this country because people don't understand what it is like to walk in their shoes.
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The beauty of walking a mile in the shoes of someone with whom you have nothing in common? When you're finished, you're a mile away from them. And you have their shoes.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I don't quite understand your animosity towards these players. The same things are always said about underprivileged groups in this country because people don't understand what it is like to walk in their shoes.
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Because they act like they are the most underprivileged on campus and act like complete martyrs when they get benefits that none of us could. How are they starving when the vast majority have tattoos covering their body (those aren't cheap), or when I was in school I'd see them all the time at the dining halls, or that they all get mopeds to drive around campus, or dedicated tutors provided at no cost, no tuition, no room and board, no books, nothing.

I don't have any sympathy when they flat out lie about these things. There's no way in hell that a star player on one of the nation's most prestigious basketball schools is going hungry. No way. No how.
 
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