Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Let's hope they don't play an alumni game...ND would get murdered.
Let's hope they don't play an alumni game...ND would get murdered.
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Quick glance at your post and I thought you were talking about the OTHER PSU team!
Come to think of it, this wasn't one of Joe's better teams.
Quick glance at your post and I thought you were talking about the OTHER PSU team!
Come to think of it, this wasn't one of Joe's better teams.
BoomGoestheDynamite
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So does this mean the Mountain West is going to go back and raid the rotting corpse of the WAC one more time?
So does this mean the Mountain West is going to go back and raid the rotting corpse of the WAC one more time?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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The funny thing is, I was actually misremembering University of Portland (a sewer, but very good at soccer) in lieu of Portland State (a pretty campus, but mediocre at nearly everything, although they have a good theater department).
Quick glance at your post and I thought you were talking about the OTHER PSU team!
Come to think of it, this wasn't one of Joe's better teams.
The funny thing is, I was actually misremembering University of Portland (a sewer, but very good at soccer) in lieu of Portland State (a pretty campus, but mediocre at nearly everything, although they have a good theater department).
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For what? Even with the loss of TCU, MWC football for the near future is going to have 10 teams, which is more than enough (and for the non-football sports, 9 teams is quite a bit better). Furthermore, none of what the WAC has left has much value, as they've already peeled off the "winner" programs. Utah State has the most, I wanna say, but even that is only based on their presence; it wouldn't hurt for the MWC to have a fixture in SLC again (third place though it might be), but it also won't help much.
The best bet for the MWC is the hope that by pulling off the top end of the WAC, they've at least kept themselves treading water for a potential BCS bid, and eliminated a potential rival for attention in so doing.
It also leaves them with room to grow and/or survive should the "Super Conference" scramble heat up again. I can easily see them liking a team like Texas Tech if the Big 12-2 is on the verge of explosion again.
For what? Even with the loss of TCU, MWC football for the near future is going to have 10 teams, which is more than enough (and for the non-football sports, 9 teams is quite a bit better). Furthermore, none of what the WAC has left has much value, as they've already peeled off the "winner" programs. Utah State has the most, I wanna say, but even that is only based on their presence; it wouldn't hurt for the MWC to have a fixture in SLC again (third place though it might be), but it also won't help much.
The best bet for the MWC is the hope that by pulling off the top end of the WAC, they've at least kept themselves treading water for a potential BCS bid, and eliminated a potential rival for attention in so doing.
It also leaves them with room to grow and/or survive should the "Super Conference" scramble heat up again. I can easily see them liking a team like Texas Tech if the Big 12-2 is on the verge of explosion again.
Jon
Say, this is nice.
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This wouldn't be the first time the Big East attempted to annihilate a competitor and this time, we don't even have the ACC's guerrilla raid to blame. I wonder how long before the 30 year old rumor than the Big East will kick out the non-football schools (or at least the ones not in South Bend, IN) is raised yet again?
TCU, this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
This wouldn't be the first time the Big East attempted to annihilate a competitor and this time, we don't even have the ACC's guerrilla raid to blame. I wonder how long before the 30 year old rumor than the Big East will kick out the non-football schools (or at least the ones not in South Bend, IN) is raised yet again?
TCU, this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
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Minor nit, Wisconsin may be in the top 5 of the polls, but they sit 11th in ELO Chess and 15th overall in Sagarin. They certainly don't hurt ASU's schedule, but they don't help it quite as much as you might think from the polls.
Minor nit, Wisconsin may be in the top 5 of the polls, but they sit 11th in ELO Chess and 15th overall in Sagarin. They certainly don't hurt ASU's schedule, but they don't help it quite as much as you might think from the polls.
Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Only accused, not yet charged, and reports I've seen are some kind of non-rape sexual assault.
If he's guilty, it's very unfortunate that the complainant is now deceased, because I think the chances of charges and conviction are minimal without her. All the same, as the Duke lacrosse case shows, it's wholly inappropriate to rush to judgment on these things.
Only accused, not yet charged, and reports I've seen are some kind of non-rape sexual assault.
If he's guilty, it's very unfortunate that the complainant is now deceased, because I think the chances of charges and conviction are minimal without her. All the same, as the Duke lacrosse case shows, it's wholly inappropriate to rush to judgment on these things.
bronconick
Yep, still here
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So, from what I hear, Michigan *should* be firing Rodriguez, mainly because Matt Millen endorsed him.
So, from what I hear, Michigan *should* be firing Rodriguez, mainly because Matt Millen endorsed him.
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It's already being speculated that the Big East will look to both add more football teams and trim the weaker non-football schools. Although PC isn't in the greatest of shape, I think Seton Hall and DePaul should be more worried.
It's already being speculated that the Big East will look to both add more football teams and trim the weaker non-football schools. Although PC isn't in the greatest of shape, I think Seton Hall and DePaul should be more worried.
bronconick
Yep, still here
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And a couple days late, but,
State champs for the first time since 1999.
And a couple days late, but,
State champs for the first time since 1999.
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Well, there's two separate things that will be at play here:
1) The ever-present rumors of a split. If the split happens, no problem for the other schools (assumed to be the non-football schools minus Notre Dame; speculation is that Notre Dame will opt to join in the "football Big East" whether or not they actually will put their football team there); they've got the beginnings of a pretty good hoops-centric conference and will probably invite other top-flight Catholic schools to come aboard (Xavier, Dayton, Butler, etc.).
2) If there's no split, I think the Big East will do their best to accommodate the five "charter" Catholic members in the alignment but give them the "I think your interests might be better served playing elsewhere" speech (in other words, they won't be formally booted, but pressured in such a way that is pretty indistinguishable from it). This is especially true if Villanova opts to move to FBS football, which will put the conference balance at 10 football schools (plus football-minded Notre Dame) against the other six.
I think the "dream" (i.e. with minimal disruption to current membership) alignment for the Big East would be a 12/16 football/hoops alignment, with Villanova and Notre Dame joining the football side*, picking up another "football" school (UCF? Houston? Memphis, if it'll keep the hoops schools happy?), and keeping in the basketball/Olympic sport alignment St. John's for NYC/MSG presence, Marquette and Georgetown for hoops quality, and Providence (cause, why not?).
*I did say a dream alignment. This does omit much more pie in the sky dreams like attracting Penn State or Maryland, or bringing Boston College back into the fold, or something drastic like the implosion of the Big 12-2. Considering those possibilities, having Notre Dame commit to the football conference is infinitely more reachable.
Well, there's two separate things that will be at play here:
1) The ever-present rumors of a split. If the split happens, no problem for the other schools (assumed to be the non-football schools minus Notre Dame; speculation is that Notre Dame will opt to join in the "football Big East" whether or not they actually will put their football team there); they've got the beginnings of a pretty good hoops-centric conference and will probably invite other top-flight Catholic schools to come aboard (Xavier, Dayton, Butler, etc.).
2) If there's no split, I think the Big East will do their best to accommodate the five "charter" Catholic members in the alignment but give them the "I think your interests might be better served playing elsewhere" speech (in other words, they won't be formally booted, but pressured in such a way that is pretty indistinguishable from it). This is especially true if Villanova opts to move to FBS football, which will put the conference balance at 10 football schools (plus football-minded Notre Dame) against the other six.
I think the "dream" (i.e. with minimal disruption to current membership) alignment for the Big East would be a 12/16 football/hoops alignment, with Villanova and Notre Dame joining the football side*, picking up another "football" school (UCF? Houston? Memphis, if it'll keep the hoops schools happy?), and keeping in the basketball/Olympic sport alignment St. John's for NYC/MSG presence, Marquette and Georgetown for hoops quality, and Providence (cause, why not?).
*I did say a dream alignment. This does omit much more pie in the sky dreams like attracting Penn State or Maryland, or bringing Boston College back into the fold, or something drastic like the implosion of the Big 12-2. Considering those possibilities, having Notre Dame commit to the football conference is infinitely more reachable.
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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There was a kerfuffle about this on Paul Finebaum today. Joking around on the gridiron in the south is viewed about as tolerantly as taking a dump on the altar in a Lutheran church.
There was a kerfuffle about this on Paul Finebaum today. Joking around on the gridiron in the south is viewed about as tolerantly as taking a dump on the altar in a Lutheran church.
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
You listen to PAWL?
You listen to PAWL?
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
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I think JoePa would go for the Eastern Conference still even at his old age... I would certainly say, for the mediocrity of the Big East schools it has certainly brought some schools up in ability moreso than would have been otherwise... particularly Cincinnati, UConn, and Rutgers.
UConn, Cincy, Rutty, BC, Penn St, Pitt, WVU, Notre Dame, Maryland... and whoever else I forgot... lets say Miami, USF, and TCU for recruiting. Would be an interesting conference... much more interesting than if somebody had proposed it 10, 15, or 20 years ago.
edit: hell, form that conference today and I think some of those markets heat themselves up for recruiting in front of a conference like this.
edit #2: I know there were several serious proposals for an eastern conference that never materialized.... but I'd argue that teams in such a league are much stronger now than they were then.
I think JoePa would go for the Eastern Conference still even at his old age... I would certainly say, for the mediocrity of the Big East schools it has certainly brought some schools up in ability moreso than would have been otherwise... particularly Cincinnati, UConn, and Rutgers.
UConn, Cincy, Rutty, BC, Penn St, Pitt, WVU, Notre Dame, Maryland... and whoever else I forgot... lets say Miami, USF, and TCU for recruiting. Would be an interesting conference... much more interesting than if somebody had proposed it 10, 15, or 20 years ago.
edit: hell, form that conference today and I think some of those markets heat themselves up for recruiting in front of a conference like this.
edit #2: I know there were several serious proposals for an eastern conference that never materialized.... but I'd argue that teams in such a league are much stronger now than they were then.
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Oh, thats funny!!!! I'm sure Alabama fans had worse signs and posters about Cam than that.
Portland state used to be pretty good in football....
Oh, thats funny!!!! I'm sure Alabama fans had worse signs and posters about Cam than that.
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Works for me.
This is a team that whined about quality opponents not wanting to play then, only to turn around and use the same excuse on their in-state rivals. This is the team that went for the money grab, only to have Utah, BYU, and TCU blow it up in their face. Now Bozo Community College gets to be a big fish in a small western pond, again. And without a rival that will pack their stadium 100% (they struggle to pack their stadium). And without a decent TV deal. Cool beans.
This is a team's president complaining about the nasty and inebriated rival fans, only to have his own fans threaten death onto the kicker. Note- BCC fans- the Defense blew the lead before the kicker choked. May want to throw those stones at the D.
I'm SO very pleased that BCC doesn't get to be on the national major stage this year. And will probably end up playing to a 95% fill of Bronco stadium in the H-Bowl before Christmas, as they fall into obscurity.
Gives me a very warm feeling.
Poor Boise. They make a move to the Mountain West which at the time put Utah, TCU, and Boise together to form a pretty legit football conference and then Utah and TCU split leaving Boise in an even worse situation than they were already in the WAC.
Broncos can't catch a break.
Works for me.
This is a team that whined about quality opponents not wanting to play then, only to turn around and use the same excuse on their in-state rivals. This is the team that went for the money grab, only to have Utah, BYU, and TCU blow it up in their face. Now Bozo Community College gets to be a big fish in a small western pond, again. And without a rival that will pack their stadium 100% (they struggle to pack their stadium). And without a decent TV deal. Cool beans.
This is a team's president complaining about the nasty and inebriated rival fans, only to have his own fans threaten death onto the kicker. Note- BCC fans- the Defense blew the lead before the kicker choked. May want to throw those stones at the D.
I'm SO very pleased that BCC doesn't get to be on the national major stage this year. And will probably end up playing to a 95% fill of Bronco stadium in the H-Bowl before Christmas, as they fall into obscurity.
Gives me a very warm feeling.
bigblue_dl
Armed
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Gives me a very warm feeling.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=303160070Gives me a very warm feeling.
Gives me a very warm feeling.
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