College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!

[bronconick]

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Or you could not have two losses by 30+ points and/or lose to an average team, 2016 Penn State and 2017 Ohio State.

Those data points drown out the 13th data point of a CCG when the comparison is pretty close.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who had the best call of Alabama's national championship-winning touchdown? Listen to all the broadcasters' reactions and decide for yourself: <a href="https://t.co/o102Ffida0">https://t.co/o102Ffida0</a> <a href="https://t.co/etOneyTz1x">pic.twitter.com/etOneyTz1x</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/950616146897719296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[SJHovey]

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I'm bummed about the precedent it sets. It sets in stone the lack of need to win either your division or conference to get in. It sets in stone that it's fine to play a pretty darned light schedule if the perception of your conference is high. It sets in stone that late season games against D1-AA teams is fine. If you are in the SEC, that is. When other schools do the same thing, including having a late loss, the opposite applies.

Kind of sucks what makes college football more fun to spend money on out of the game.

The idea is (or at least should be) to put the four best teams into the playoffs. The minute the four teams were announced, Vegas immediately set Alabama as the favorite. Those guys know a little something about college football.

If nothing else, this year might cause an expansion of the playoffs to 8 teams.

 

[alfablue]

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The idea is (or at least should be) to put the four best teams into the playoffs. The minute the four teams were announced, Vegas immediately set Alabama as the favorite. Those guys know a little something about college football.

If nothing else, this year might cause an expansion of the playoffs to 8 teams.

But by doing that, you basically say that whatever happens in the regular season, it doesn't matter.

At one time, it was a big deal to win you conference championship. Back in the day, 'Bama would not have even gone to the Sugar Bowl. Now that doesn't matter at all.

Why have conferences if winning them doesn't matter?

This precedent was set a few years ago before the playoffs, confirmed last year with OSU, and set in stone this year.

I know Bama lost that one game because of injuries (and almost lost a second)- but other teams lost games due to injuries, and were better when complete, too.

And it 100% validates scheduling cupcakes, let alone late in the season.

That sucks for people who like watching competitive college football.

 

[Kepler]

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Or we could get away from the whole idea of a national champion. Go back to the traditional bowl match-ups: Big X vs Pac Y in the Rose Bowl, etc. And just enjoy and be happy with that. Restore the tradition and the geographical integrity and local color of the conferences. If people want to debate a mythical "national champion," let them debate it all summer.

Bigger, faster, stronger is not always better. It obliterate most of what is actually valuable.

Monotheism is boring.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who had the best call of Alabama's national championship-winning touchdown? Listen to all the broadcasters' reactions and decide for yourself: <a href="https://t.co/o102Ffida0">https://t.co/o102Ffida0</a> <a href="https://t.co/etOneyTz1x">pic.twitter.com/etOneyTz1x</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/950616146897719296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

At the very end, the coach's film room segment, watch the OSU coach.

Does. Not. Flinch.

 

[SJHovey]

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But by doing that, you basically say that whatever happens in the regular season, it doesn't matter.

At one time, it was a big deal to win you conference championship. Back in the day, 'Bama would not have even gone to the Sugar Bowl. Now that doesn't matter at all.

Why have conferences if winning them doesn't matter?

This precedent was set a few years ago before the playoffs, confirmed last year with OSU, and set in stone this year.

I know Bama lost that one game because of injuries (and almost lost a second)- but other teams lost games due to injuries, and were better when complete, too.

And it 100% validates scheduling cupcakes, let alone late in the season.

That sucks for people who like watching competitive college football.

First, it's pretty hard to claim that the playoffs this year weren't "competitive football." I thought they were very competitive games.

Second, let's consider our own sport. How many national champions failed to win their conference's regular season crown? Quite a few I would guess. I think 5 of the last 10, for starters.

Conference play is significant for purposes of rivalries and conference banners, etc... But once we went to a playoff system, it's all about getting the four best teams into the playoffs and let them go at it.

 

[SJHovey]

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For what it's worth, I personally am in favor of expanding to 8 teams, putting the five power conference champions into the tournament, then let the committee add three more and seed the field.

 

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But by doing that, you basically say that whatever happens in the regular season, it doesn't matter.

At one time, it was a big deal to win you conference championship. Back in the day, 'Bama would not have even gone to the Sugar Bowl. Now that doesn't matter at all.

Why have conferences if winning them doesn't matter?...

Would you eliminate the conference championship in hockey also? There's pretty much the same situation. Sure, there are differences, like you're more likely to have played everybody in your conference. But still you have teams being pretty much assured that they will be selected for the national championship even if they don't win their conference. But, if anything, that makes the situation worse; Alabama had to sweat a bit wondering if they would make the tournament at all. For some college hockey teams, the conference championship truly is irrelevant to the national tournament.

I agree with SJHovey -- there's going to be a lot of clamor for an eight team playoff. The question is how do you do that? You could eliminate the conference championships. You could eliminate a regular season game (the big loser probably being the cupcakes, who rely on being a cupcake for revenue). Or you could say it's OK for college teams to play 15 games.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I am so glad I stopped taking anything more than a passing interest in college football years ago.

 

[mookie1995]

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I am so glad I stopped taking anything more than a passing interest in college football years ago.

seriously. if 'this' is how one determines a national champion, well that's all we need to know

 

[mookie1995]

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Or you could say it's OK for college teams to play 15 games.

if you are going to hold practices from july through january, why quibble about 15 games

"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE STUDENTS?!!?!?!?!111111?!?"

 

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if you are going to hold practices from july through january, why quibble about 15 games

"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE STUDENTS?!!?!?!?!111111?!?"

That's student-athletes, Mookie

 

[mookie1995]

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That's student-athletes, Mookie

apologies.....

 

[cF[Authentic]]

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Would you eliminate the conference championship in hockey also? There's pretty much the same situation. Sure, there are differences, like you're more likely to have played everybody in your conference. But still you have teams being pretty much assured that they will be selected for the national championship even if they don't win their conference. But, if anything, that makes the situation worse; Alabama had to sweat a bit wondering if they would make the tournament at all. For some college hockey teams, the conference championship truly is irrelevant to the national tournament.

College hockey conference championships are different. The 8 seeded CC Tigers have a chance to win the conference championship despite finishing last in the regular season. In college football, the conference championship is the best team from X division vs the best team from Y division. There's no chance for a low seed to win out to make the NCAA tournament.

And to SJHovey's post, if only 4 teams were picked for the NCAA hockey tournament, more often than not you wouldn't expect the third ranked team in the NCHC to make the tournament, especially over the 2nd ranked team who just beat them a couple weeks prior. When you open it up to 10 at-large bids versus just 4 overall teams, of course you're going to have more non-regular season champions in the tournament. And those non-champions go on to win the NCAA tournament, which is what we all enjoy. Let's get some Cinderella teams in there who may come in as the 8 seed and go on to upset a couple of teams.

I would have loved to see UCF play Alabama and I think most of the country would be supporting UCF in that game. Hopefully, this year is the push to get it to 8 teams with 5 autobids, one autobid from top of P5 and two at-large teams. Alabama would have been the toughest 7 seed you've ever seen.

 

[alfablue]

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First, it's pretty hard to claim that the playoffs this year weren't "competitive football." I thought they were very competitive games.

Second, let's consider our own sport. How many national champions failed to win their conference's regular season crown? Quite a few I would guess. I think 5 of the last 10, for starters.

Conference play is significant for purposes of rivalries and conference banners, etc... But once we went to a playoff system, it's all about getting the four best teams into the playoffs and let them go at it.

Except in our sport, every conference champion gets into the tournament. Just like BB.

This set up is very far from that.

"Competitive football" only matters to ESPN. I don't see that as a good measuring stick. But that result has set in stone many of the problems that I see with the system. I personally hate it when Michigan plays patsies. But Bama feeds on them.

Based on that, I don't see that as a good comparison.

 

[mookie1995]

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Alabama would have been the toughest 7 seed you've ever seen.

and hopefully would have played in the 1st round.

mookie is sure as chit that if there were 8 teams some fool would have positioned the bamas into a 3 seed

 

[alfablue]

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Would you eliminate the conference championship in hockey also? There's pretty much the same situation. Sure, there are differences, like you're more likely to have played everybody in your conference. But still you have teams being pretty much assured that they will be selected for the national championship even if they don't win their conference. But, if anything, that makes the situation worse; Alabama had to sweat a bit wondering if they would make the tournament at all. For some college hockey teams, the conference championship truly is irrelevant to the national tournament.

I agree with SJHovey -- there's going to be a lot of clamor for an eight team playoff. The question is how do you do that? You could eliminate the conference championships. You could eliminate a regular season game (the big loser probably being the cupcakes, who rely on being a cupcake for revenue). Or you could say it's OK for college teams to play 15 games.

Not the same at all. All conference champs get in- hockey, BB and even FCS football. Then they fill that in with "at large" bids. And in that stance, winning the conference matters.

I'm fine with Bama having to sweat worrying about getting a bid- they didn't earn a spot by an auto bid. Put some pants on and win your conference, and you don't have to worry about it. And that is exactly my point- for some selected teams/conferences in this country, your schedule and your conference don't matter- you get in regardless (or not, regardless). And that sucks. This championship sets that in stone.

 

[Kepler]

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All conference champs get in- hockey, BB and even FCS football.

Not all.

 

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College hockey conference championships are different. The 8 seeded CC Tigers have a chance to win the conference championship despite finishing last in the regular season. In college football, the conference championship is the best team from X division vs the best team from Y division. There's no chance for a low seed to win out to make the NCAA tournament.
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Not the same at all. All conference champs get in- hockey, BB and even FCS football. Then they fill that in with "at large" bids. And in that stance, winning the conference matters.

Excellent point. Also, in college hockey the conference tournament is always meaningful for at least some teams (teams that wouldn’t qualify as at-large teams) even if it’s not equally meaningful for all.

I'm fine with Bama having to sweat worrying about getting a bid- they didn't earn a spot by an auto bid. Put some pants on and win your conference, and you don't have to worry about it. And that is exactly my point- for some selected teams/conferences in this country, your schedule and your conference don't matter- you get in regardless (or not, regardless). And that sucks. This championship sets that in stone.

I’m fine with Alabama having sweated also. But the hockey equivalent of Alabama – a very good team that lost a key game – wouldn’t even have to have sweated; the would have been in the tournament anyway based on their regular season record. I disagree with your statement that the regular season “doesn’t matter”. Yes, they played Mercer. But they also played and beat some very good teams. Do you think UCF would have been undefeated if they had played Alabama’s schedule? Do you think Alabama would have gotten in if they had gone 8-3 in the regular season? Or if they had gone 11-0 playing UCF’s schedule? If you do, we disagree.