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College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
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I'd be good with that
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
UCF makes the most sense for multiple reasons
1. They are 12-0 and none of the other contenders for the 4th spot are overly compelling.
2. The committee clearly hates the idea of including a G5 team in the playoff, and the likelihood of Clemson blowing UCF out would give them a nice data point to relieve pressure and accusations of unfairness when they treat [G5 team de jour] with the same lack of respect they showed UCF this year.
UCF makes the most sense for multiple reasons
1. They are 12-0 and none of the other contenders for the 4th spot are overly compelling.
2. The committee clearly hates the idea of including a G5 team in the playoff, and the likelihood of Clemson blowing UCF out would give them a nice data point to relieve pressure and accusations of unfairness when they treat [G5 team de jour] with the same lack of respect they showed UCF this year.
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Contrary to the little cheap shot: When last year's bid came through, people here openly worried that it was a bad precedent, one that would come back to haunt. We just didn't think the haunting would come the very next year.
OSU has a large, diverse fan base. Winning too much tends to produce that. So if you actually came to a game here, you'd find enough shallow fans to fulfill your naughty little prejudice. But you'd also have to work very hard to ignore the legion of fans who have been attending games for decades, and are well-versed in college football's history and issues.
Back to the 2017 selection process. Personally I'll embrace any bowl bid that comes our way -- playoff or otherwise. Any "right thinking fan" would do the same. But candidly speaking, we don't deserve to be in the field of 4 this year, given the precedent that's been set.
Well, let me borrow from FS23. I presume you're talking about this:
And if Ohio State is left out of the 4 team field this year, we'll have no valid complaint -- for exactly this reason.
Contrary to the little cheap shot: When last year's bid came through, people here openly worried that it was a bad precedent, one that would come back to haunt. We just didn't think the haunting would come the very next year.
OSU has a large, diverse fan base. Winning too much tends to produce that. So if you actually came to a game here, you'd find enough shallow fans to fulfill your naughty little prejudice. But you'd also have to work very hard to ignore the legion of fans who have been attending games for decades, and are well-versed in college football's history and issues.
Back to the 2017 selection process. Personally I'll embrace any bowl bid that comes our way -- playoff or otherwise. Any "right thinking fan" would do the same. But candidly speaking, we don't deserve to be in the field of 4 this year, given the precedent that's been set.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
have to admit mookie cant lose as either bama or tOSU get the screw
have to admit mookie cant lose as either bama or tOSU get the screw
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So a conflict of interest question. Espn is the sec network, so it is in their best interest that bama gets in.
Hearing some of the pundits make you go- hmm.
Either way, it’s a terrible choice.
One other thing, ranking at the time of the game is pointless.
FSU was a top 5 team to start things. They suck in the end. So let’s at least look at the end sorta like hockey.
So a conflict of interest question. Espn is the sec network, so it is in their best interest that bama gets in.
Hearing some of the pundits make you go- hmm.
Either way, it’s a terrible choice.
One other thing, ranking at the time of the game is pointless.
FSU was a top 5 team to start things. They suck in the end. So let’s at least look at the end sorta like hockey.
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We don't know what the Committee thinks, but I think that's one reason why they don't do any rankings until several weeks into the season. As for the pundits, I think they recognize the ranking at the time of the game is meaningless. I've seen several comments like, "The win over Florida State means nothing now", "Fresno State being in being in the top 25 helps Alabama" and "Auburn losing to Georgia in the SEC Championship hurts Alabama".
We don't know what the Committee thinks, but I think that's one reason why they don't do any rankings until several weeks into the season. As for the pundits, I think they recognize the ranking at the time of the game is meaningless. I've seen several comments like, "The win over Florida State means nothing now", "Fresno State being in being in the top 25 helps Alabama" and "Auburn losing to Georgia in the SEC Championship hurts Alabama".
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
Just to add to a previous post:
2014 Initial Playoff Rankings:
1. Mississippi State (finished 7th)
2. Florida State (finished 3rd - made playoff)
3. Auburn (finished 19th)
4. Mississippi (finished 9th)
1 out of 4. Alabama (6th); Oregon (5th); and Ohio State (16th) eventually made the playoff
2015 Initial Playoff Rankings:
1. Clemson (finished 1st - made playoff)
2. LSU (finished 20th)
3. Ohio State (finished 7th)
4. Alabama (finished 2nd - made playoff)
2 out of 4. Michigan State (7th) and Oklahoma (15th) eventually made playoff.
2016 Initial Playoff Rankings:
1. Alabama (finished 1st - made playoff)
2. Clemson (finished 2nd - made playoff)
3. Michigan (finished 6th)
4. Texas A&M (finished UR)
2 out of 4 again. Ohio State (6th) and Washington (5th) eventually made the playoff.
2017 Initial Playoff Rankings:
1. Georgia (finished 3rd - made playoff)
2. Alabama (finished 4th - made playoff)
3. Notre Dame (finished ??)
4. Clemson (finished 1st - made playoff)
3 out of 4. Best yet. Oklahoma (5th) made the playoff.
So, the initial rankings got 8/16 correct. 14/16 were ranked in the top 7 in the initial ranking.
Just to add to a previous post:
2014 Initial Playoff Rankings:
1. Mississippi State (finished 7th)
2. Florida State (finished 3rd - made playoff)
3. Auburn (finished 19th)
4. Mississippi (finished 9th)
1 out of 4. Alabama (6th); Oregon (5th); and Ohio State (16th) eventually made the playoff
2015 Initial Playoff Rankings:
1. Clemson (finished 1st - made playoff)
2. LSU (finished 20th)
3. Ohio State (finished 7th)
4. Alabama (finished 2nd - made playoff)
2 out of 4. Michigan State (7th) and Oklahoma (15th) eventually made playoff.
2016 Initial Playoff Rankings:
1. Alabama (finished 1st - made playoff)
2. Clemson (finished 2nd - made playoff)
3. Michigan (finished 6th)
4. Texas A&M (finished UR)
2 out of 4 again. Ohio State (6th) and Washington (5th) eventually made the playoff.
2017 Initial Playoff Rankings:
1. Georgia (finished 3rd - made playoff)
2. Alabama (finished 4th - made playoff)
3. Notre Dame (finished ??)
4. Clemson (finished 1st - made playoff)
3 out of 4. Best yet. Oklahoma (5th) made the playoff.
So, the initial rankings got 8/16 correct. 14/16 were ranked in the top 7 in the initial ranking.
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
For all the talk about resume and schedule, it's really simple. If you're a Power 5, have as few losses as possible.
For all the talk about resume and schedule, it's really simple. If you're a Power 5, have as few losses as possible.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
I tend to agree, although I would note that it probably only applies to the traditional blue bloods of college football. If Wake Forest goes 11-1, they aren't getting in over a 2-loss Ohio State.
ETA: I'm also surprised that Wisconsin stayed ahead of Southern Cal...which supports your argument as well. Not so sure that Wisconsin is "unequivocally" better than the Trojans.
I tend to agree, although I would note that it probably only applies to the traditional blue bloods of college football. If Wake Forest goes 11-1, they aren't getting in over a 2-loss Ohio State.
ETA: I'm also surprised that Wisconsin stayed ahead of Southern Cal...which supports your argument as well. Not so sure that Wisconsin is "unequivocally" better than the Trojans.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
Turn it over to the computers. Which ones? All of them:
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
Turn it over to the computers. Which ones? All of them:
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
FWIW, of the 47 rankings listed there, Ohio State is ahead of Alabama in 24 of them (Alabama is ahead in 23).
That being said, and as I noted last night, I would rank Ohio State ahead of Alabama. I've always thought it makes more sense to judge a team based on who they beat as opposed to their losses.
FWIW, of the 47 rankings listed there, Ohio State is ahead of Alabama in 24 of them (Alabama is ahead in 23).
That being said, and as I noted last night, I would rank Ohio State ahead of Alabama. I've always thought it makes more sense to judge a team based on who they beat as opposed to their losses.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
I agree.
hockeyplayer1015
Capt
Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
Might as well re-write the protocol for deciding between contending teams. Apparently "conference championships, SoS, etc" don't matter, because beating up on the red headed step children is the way to go (again).
Shrug, I hope Clemson hangs a 50 spot on Saban, then Dabo goes to the locker room after, gives the double pistols "Shooter baby!!", hits em with a dab on the way out.
Might as well re-write the protocol for deciding between contending teams. Apparently "conference championships, SoS, etc" don't matter, because beating up on the red headed step children is the way to go (again).
Shrug, I hope Clemson hangs a 50 spot on Saban, then Dabo goes to the locker room after, gives the double pistols "Shooter baby!!", hits em with a dab on the way out.
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
For many reasons, I hope you are correct.
For many reasons, I hope you are correct.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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RPICF had us at 187th last week; maybe we jumped to 4th.
RPICF had us at 187th last week; maybe we jumped to 4th.
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Some of you might not like it but this thing will go to 6 or 8 teams at some point. Not sure when but two power five champs being left out for a 2nd SEC team with a weak resume in what people think was a down year for SEC? It's gonna happen. Jim Delaney and Larry Scott will only twiddle their thumbs for so long.
Some of you might not like it but this thing will go to 6 or 8 teams at some point. Not sure when but two power five champs being left out for a 2nd SEC team with a weak resume in what people think was a down year for SEC? It's gonna happen. Jim Delaney and Larry Scott will only twiddle their thumbs for so long.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
So Big 12 Champ Oklahoma will take on SEC Champ Georgia in the Rose Bowl (as part of the Playoff), while B1G Champ Ohio State will square off against Pac 12 Champ in the Cotton Bowl. Is it too late for to swap those games?
So Big 12 Champ Oklahoma will take on SEC Champ Georgia in the Rose Bowl (as part of the Playoff), while B1G Champ Ohio State will square off against Pac 12 Champ in the Cotton Bowl. Is it too late for to swap those games?
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: College Football 2017-18: Now with more CTE!
Purdue is playing the Foster Farms Bowl. There's a good joke somewhere there.
Purdue is playing the Foster Farms Bowl. There's a good joke somewhere there.
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