College Football 2009: Bowl College Stupidity Rankings

[French Rage]

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Oregon ends the USC streak, and it will be Oregon versus Ohio State for the Rose Bowl.

USC's Holiday Bowl hope is alive!

And it helps Stanford's Las Vegas Bowl chances!

So this year it will be Oregon that Ohio State will get overconfident against and lose to?

 

[LynahFan]

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And it helps Stanford's Las Vegas Bowl chances!

So this year it will be Oregon that Ohio State will get overconfident against and lose to?

That's a hard trend to buck, for sure (no pun intended). On the other hand, the only team Oregon has ever beaten in the Rose Bowl is Penn. Not Penn State - Penn.

Something's gotta give...

 

[bigmrg74]

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Detroit News: Brian Kelly to Notre Dame
DO..... NOT...... WANT!!!!!
Quite a bit of smoke here...

And down goes Hofstra...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4709412

Sad to see based on some of the NFL talent they produced, but everything I read suggests the situation was much the same as Northeastern, if not worse. A program bleeding red ink that has lost interest due to the nationalization of College Football and the focus on the power conferences in programs.

Being in the northeast, they don't even get the option of trying to play racoon to an SEC programs Pick Up Truck. The Jets moving their practice facility might have been the last blow.

Yeah, thats what I've been hearing as well. Another **** shame. The Economics of D1 and playing at the FCS is really killing some programs right now.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Yeah, thats what I've been hearing as well. Another **** shame. The Economics of D1 and playing at the FCS is really killing some programs right now.

Not much room to complain when you have five home games in a year, and you only draw ~4500 people/game.

 

[pgb-ohio]

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So this year it will be Oregon that Ohio State will get overconfident against and lose to?

With our recent resume, the idea that the Buckeyes would be overconfident about a bowl game -- any bowl game -- is almost ludicrous.

In the BCS title game against Florida, overconfidence was an issue. On that occasion there was an attitude that as long as the game was treated as a "business trip," everything would be just fine. As it turned out, the game was a huge dose of humble pie. Other helpings of said pie have been served since then.

While I don't peruse the college football boards, I'm sure that there are some blowhards representing us poorly. But I can assure you that the vast majority of people with ties to Buckeye Football aren't overconfident with respect to the upcoming Rose Bowl. It should be a very entertaining Irresistable Force vs. Immovable Object match-up, with many unknowns -- and absolutely no basis for overconfidence.

At a more general level, your comment reflects a subtle misunderstanding of what our fanbase is like. What follows isn't necessarily something I'm proud of. But the dominant reaction to victories is relief. The dominant reaction to defeats is embarrassment. Arrogant you say? I'm inclined to agree. But the word overconfident definitely misses the mark.

I do realize you were just making an off-hand remark, not attempting to pyschoanalyze.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Not much room to complain when you have five home games in a year, and you only draw ~4500 people/game.

Yep, there's Bad D2 squads out there that can draw better than that. Gotta get around 10,000 butts in the seats on average to make scholorship D1-AA ball to work. Or have a lot of sugar daddy boosters to cover you.

 

[UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing]

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Tough week for fat coaches. That thud you felt was Mangino going down at KU.

Actually, that "thud" was Mangino digesting Todd Reesing.

 

[French Rage]

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With our recent resume, the idea that the Buckeyes would be overconfident about a bowl game -- any bowl game -- is almost ludicrous.

In the BCS title game against Florida, overconfidence was an issue. On that occasion there was an attitude that as long as the game was treated as a "business trip," everything would be just fine. As it turned out, the game was a huge dose of humble pie. Other helpings of said pie have been served since then.

While I don't peruse the college football boards, I'm sure that there are some blowhards representing us poorly. But I can assure you that the vast majority of people with ties to Buckeye Football aren't overconfident with respect to the upcoming Rose Bowl. It should be a very entertaining Irresistable Force vs. Immovable Object match-up, with many unknowns -- and absolutely no basis for overconfidence.

At a more general level, your comment reflects a subtle misunderstanding of what our fanbase is like. What follows isn't necessarily something I'm proud of. But the dominant reaction to victories is relief. The dominant reaction to defeats is embarrassment. Arrogant you say? I'm inclined to agree. But the word overconfident definitely misses the mark.

I do realize you were just making an off-hand remark, not attempting to pyschoanalyze.

No, I was definitely making an unfair generalization based on the reaction of OSU fans on other boards, who were saying that the Civil War was a battle of who would lose to Ohio State. So it's really only targeted at a small and unfortunately vocal minority. I for one like seeing a team other than USC against the Big 10, not because of anything against USC but that was getting rather repetitive.

 

[French Rage]

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The case for Gerhart: http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/5981/the-case-for-toby-gerhart

I can't take credit for the following research, which came from the great minds inside ESPN, but it clearly should give folks a clear picture of what Stanford running back Toby Gerhart has accomplished this year.
Toby Gerhart
Ezra Shaw/Getty ImagesToby Gerhart has been a battering ram all season for the Cardinal.

One of the uncomfortable parts of making the case for Gerhart is that it requires poking holes in the resumes for the other top candidate, specifically Texas' Colt McCoy and Florida's Tim Tebow.

McCoy and Tebow have played well this season. And both have had historical careers that won't be forgotten. One of them may win the national championship.

But there's simply not any question which player has had the best season while playing against the best competition. That's Gerhart.

Consider some notes, courtesy Chris Fallica, College GameDay researcher.

* Gerhart has faced six of the top 46 rushing defenses and gained at least 123 yards against five of them. His low against those six teams was 96 yards against Oregon State. In those six games, Gerhart gained 881 yards (146.8) and ran for 14 TDs. That average of 146.8 YPG is actually higher than his overall season average of 144.7 YPG.

* Gerhart has finished strong. In his last four games, three of which came against teams currently ranked in the AP Top 20, Gerhart rushed for 742 yards (185.5 YPG) and 12 TDs.

* McCoy also has finished strong but in his last four games, Texas faced zero ranked teams -- two teams that went 1-7 in the Big 12 (Baylor and Kansas) along with Texas A&M and UCF (which are 111th and 112th nationally in pass defense).

* Tebow has finished strong in his last five games but, again, none of those five opponents are ranked. The stretch consisted of Georgia (10th in SEC in scoring defense), Vanderbilt (2-10, winless in SEC), South Carolina, FIU (119th in nation in total defense) and Florida State (108th in nation in total defense).

* In each of the last seven games, Gerhart has rushed for more, individually, than the opposing team has allowed against all other opponents. Some of the highlights: Gerhart gained 178 yards on a USC defense that has allowed 116.5 rush YPG vs all other teams. He gained 223 yards on an Oregon team which has allowed 118.3 rush YPG vs everyone else.

* Gerhart was at his best when he played the best. In four games against teams currently ranked, Gerhart rushed for 158.3 YPG and 12 TDs (against unranked teams, Gerhart ran for 137.9 YPG).

* Texas has faced only one team currently ranked this season (No. 22 Oklahoma State). McCoy threw for 171 yards on 16-of-21 passing and a TD in a game which the Texas defense/special teams accounted for two TDs.

* Florida has also faced only one ranked opponent this year (No. 15 LSU). Tebow was 11-16 for 134 yards with a TD and Int, though that was his first game following a concussion suffered at Kentucky.

* Gerhart didn’t pad his stats against bad teams. Against Washington State and San Jose State (two of the five worst rush defenses in the country), Gerhart gained “only” 121 and 113 yards – figures which represent two of his four lowest rushing totals this season.

* 19 of Colt McCoy’s 27 TD passes and four of his five best passing games have come against teams which currently do not have a winning record. Against opponents with winning records, he's thrown for eight TDs and five Ints.

* Tim Tebow’s last two games accounted for two of his three highest offensive outputs of the season (311 vs FSU, 317 vs FIU). As mentioned above, those teams are in the bottom 13 nationally in total defense.

* Stanford faced only one team from a non-AQ conference this season (San Jose State). The other two non-conference opponents were Wake Forest (ACC) and Notre Dame. Stanford also faced nine Pac-10 opponents. Texas’ four non-conference opponents were UL-Monroe, Troy, UTEP and UCF – all from non-AQ conferences. Florida’s four non-conference opponents were Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International and Florida State – three of which are from non-AQ conferences.

* The only comparison Gerhart loses? Florida and Texas are undefeated, while Stanford has four losses. Yet the losses weren’t Gerhart’s fault. In them, he ran for 109.3 YPG and 8 TD, while Stanford’s defense allowed 34.8 PPG. Tebow and McCoy had the luxury of playing with the No. 1 and No. 5 total defense (Stanford is 85th) and the No. 1 and No. 9 scoring defense (Stanford is 65th).


Again, this isn't about McCoy and Tebow not being good players or Texas and Florida not being good teams, even though both paths to undefeated were no where near as arduous as what Stanford faced.

It's simply this.

Gerhart is the most outstanding player in college football, which is what the Heisman Trophy is supposed to recognize.

Also if anyone is going to give Gerhart crap for his team being 8-4 with three conferences losses, perhaps they should take another look at Florida's record in 2007.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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No, I was definitely making an unfair generalization based on the reaction of OSU fans on other boards, who were saying that the Civil War was a battle of who would lose to Ohio State. So it's really only targeted at a small and unfortunately vocal minority. I for one like seeing a team other than USC against the Big 10, not because of anything against USC but that was getting rather repetitive.

Funny. While I know the transitive property has plenty of problems, you think they would damp down a little on the arrogance considering Oregon beat both teams they lost to this year.

 

[French Rage]

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Funny. While I know the transitive property has plenty of problems, you think they would damp down a little on the arrogance considering Oregon beat both teams they lost to this year.

But it's the Pac-10, where teams beat up on each other in conference, which somehow indisputably makes the conference weaker as a whole, so they can't be good. (Again, that's maybe a generalization that everyone thinks that, but you don't know how many times I heard that on sports radio this year (which I realize is usually full of morons, but morons with a microphone in front of them sadly (recursive parantheses!))).

 

[bueller]

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AKA "We're afraid of the MAC."

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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AKA "We're afraid of the MAC."

I thought they were letting the players decide?

 

[bueller]

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I thought they were letting the players decide?

I think they said they would take the vote into account. And the link does say it would take a change of heart by the players and coaches which also implies that the players have something to do with it.

 

[Proud2baLaker]

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This is a lose-lose situation for Notre Dame. The decide to accept the bid and people will say they dont deserve it. They decline and its because they are "afraid".

 

[Dirty]

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This is a lose-lose situation for Notre Dame. The decide to accept the bid and people will say they dont deserve it. They decline and its because they are "afraid".

Eh, who cares what retards think? They'll whine no matter what Notre Dame does.

 

[Priceless]

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This is a lose-lose situation for Notre Dame.

Well, Notre Dame does know a thing or two about losing....

 

[bronconick]

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It's doubly funny because they're paying Western Michigan $800,000 for the hour long bus ride down from Kalamazoo next year. The irony if they somehow managed to lose that game would tickle me for years to come.

 

[Kepler]

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If the players voted no, then fine. But if not, then I don't like it.

It is funny though to hear the people who hate seeing Notre Dame on TV every weekend ***** that they won't be on in December.

Bring on the new coach, and start cleaning up the mess. Plenty of success to look forward to in the future. Go Irish!

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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If the players voted no, then fine. But if not, then I don't like it.

It is funny though to hear the people who hate seeing Notre Dame on TV every weekend ***** that they won't be on in December.

Bring on the new coach, and start cleaning up the mess. Plenty of success to look forward to in the future. Go Irish!

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